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I have been considering a small, easily-trailerable (so about 8’ beam, no unfolding or extending) catamaran for daysailing four or occasional overnighting for two. Right now I am looking at Chat 18 by Richard Woods and Weekender by the late Thomas Firth Jones. Any thoughts on the pros and cons of those two boats and/or suggestions of other designs to consider? Cheers, Matthew PS—I would actually prefer a cat rig with just one sail and I am open to other styles like spritsail or standing lug.

oldmulti Senior Member

Hi Consider the Jarcat 5 meter or Jarcat 6 meter. Both are reasonable sailing boats. The 6 meter has more room and is faster. Jarcats are really well engineered and are simple of build.

Onefish Junior Member

You could look at Selway Fisher's 1i' Hawk design. It's a neat looking design and looks very economical and easy to build.

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The simplest may be Denney's E25 with optional camper pod.

jamez Senior Member

cluttonfred said: ↑ I have been considering a small, easily-trailerable (so about 8’ beam, no unfolding or extending) catamaran for daysailing four or occasional overnighting for two. Right now I am looking at Chat 18 by Richard Woods and Weekender by the late Thomas Firth Jones. Any thoughts on the pros and cons of those two boats and/or suggestions of other designs to consider? Cheers, Matthew Click to expand...

guzzis3 Senior Member

The E25 has a 4m beam so would need to be assembled, which is probably quick but isn't what the OP asked for. There are several mini bridgedecks about that fit the formula. Double shuffle is another possibility: Plans for the Double Shuffle catamaran http://teamscarab.com.au/5.6cat/design.html Personally the J6 is one of my all time favs. Plans are cheap, you can use a beach cat mast and mainsail, just get an oversize jib made up. Center of effort is low and aft so capsize is difficult and I like the interior layout. Goodness knows they are well proven. You could build ulua as a catamaran. It's take some reworking and it's strip, but it'd make a fantastic expedition catamaran. Tent on the bridgedeck, portapotty in one hull. Crabclaw ring 2c

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I am partial to Woods and biased as hell. What I like about him is he will critique his own designs; help you tweak a dislike. I'd email him if I were you and ask him to compare his to others here. Richard has been patient as hell with me and I am not sure if he should get the title Sir or Saint. A foam build will take a lot longer; just be aware. Ply is much faster.

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That's a coincidence! For the last few weeks I have been trying to decide what our next boat should be. And I have now decided that a Chat 18 would suit us well. Ideal for day sailing, no racing, in Plymouth Sound in the summers. It will be a bit of time before I can start as we are still wintering on board a 36ft catamaran in St Augustine Fl and we need to sail it back to its owners before I fly back to the UK end of March. When I startthe build it will be partly to develop the kit boat so I expect it will not be before the end of summer before its finished. (A Dutch homebuilder took 5 months to build his, mine will be built quicker) Thanks Fallguy!! Your comment shows it always a good idea to use a designer who is still active and can reply to questions Richard Woods of Woods Designs www.sailingcatamarans.com

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Skoota 18 and chat 18.

A builder has just pointed out an error in the upper panel sizes. I suspect that others have seen it already but he is the first to point it out to me. The error applies to both the Skoota 18 and Chat 18. The correct dimensions are given in the attached drawing. However, as the plans say, make this panel over size at the transom and trim it back after fitting to your own boat. It also seems that Bhd2 could usefully be reversed so that the framing is on the forward side. Or simply add an extra 2inx1in on the inner sides to take the hull planking.

The aft cockpit bulkhead, Bhd5 should be as shown

The bridgedeck reinforcing drawing was misleading, below is the revised drawing

The cockpit drawing has also been revised

Then the Chat 18 kingpost has been revised, shown in two drawings below

We can send you revised pdfs of these images on request

You can use Nacra 5.2 catamaran rudders on a Chat 18 instead of the ones shown.

You can use a swing down outbaord bracket instead of a nacelle. But make sure the engine clears the tiller bar when up and prop is at least 100mm in the water when at rest

You can use standard 75mm 3in glass tape instead of cloth. But use 3 layers each side and double over the lower chine joint when sheathing the hull

For those who are inexperienced or who prefer gentle sailing a smaller sailplan is now available, see below. Which ever rig you chose a roller reefing jib is highly recommended. I use the Plastimo 406, in part because it can be fitted to an existing forestay. The basic jib furler as shown as an option to hanks does not allow the sail to be reefed, only rolled up.

Please contact me for pdfs of these drawings if you do not have them.

Note: Many people fit a used beach cat rig instead of the gunter rig shown. A 14-16ft beach cat is suitable but a reef point at about 1500 is highly recommended. You can remove alternate lower battens to save weight and friction when hoisting.

If you use the gunter rig then to reef you will need to lower the mainsail completely and re-attach the halyard to another point on the gaff fitted 1500 below the standard position. And you will need another slot in the sail luff tube for that purpose. An alternative is to have a luff groove in the yard and a halyard so the sail can be adjusted as if it were a normal bermudian mainsail

Whichever rig you use you should certainly be handholding the mainsheet in winds over about 10 knots and start to reef in 15. The Chat is a small boat!

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I note that he also has a 16' design as well .....

Yeah, he does. He's been turning out boats lately. He's got another one out after that one two. It looks a bit like a High sided jon boat with a Vee entry or maybe a whaler.

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Specifications

LOA --17' 5"
LWL -- 15' 5"
BEAM -- 7' 5"
DRAFT, Board up -- 1' 6"
DRAFT, Board down -- 4' 3"
Displacement -- 1100 lbs.
Ballast -- 350 lbs
Sail area -- 145 sq. ft.
Mast height above DWL -- 27'
Designer: - Jim Taylor

People go sailing because it is fun, pure and simple. The problem for today's sailors is that a combination of high interest rates and increasingly scarce mooring and marina space have in many instances made boat ownership a lot less simple, and its fun a lot less pure!

This office shares with Precision Boat Works the firm belief that sailing should still be pure fun, and that the real key to the fun is in keeping it simple! Nowhere is it written that in order to enjoy a day on the water a sailor needs a boat that costs as much to buy as a house, even more to maintain, and that requires half a football team to sail properly; on the contrary, as the explosive growth in board sailing has shown, the purest sailing fun can often best be delivered in very small, simple packages! It is just this 'small and simple' concept that lies at the heart of the Precision 18 design requirements; a boat small enough to be easily trailered behind today's small cars, simple enough to be inexpensive, but big enough to sleep aboard (out of the weather) and stable enough to take along the family. And finally, a boat with the lively performance and good sea manners required to make sailing her fun!

In attempting to fulfill similar requirements, too many builders have simply taken a successful racing design and installed a 'cruising' interior. Unfortunately, while the long fine bow and broad flat transom of this type hull form can be devastatingly fast when in the hands of a hot racing crew, it can also be dangerously unstable for a family boat, and is therefore completely unsuited to cruising applications. This office has recently developed four different trailerable cruising designs, with over 500 built in just the past three years. Each was drawn for a different builder and market target, but all share distinctly full sections above the waterline forward and only moderately full sections aft. The Precision 18 is our latest design to be developed from this basic hullform which our experience has proven to provide a reassuring margin of reserve buoyancy forward, improved ultimate stability and especially forgiving handling characteristics, all essential elements of any good cruising design.

The long shallow keel, kick-up rudder, and non-corroding fiberglass centerboard of the Precision 18 are all high-lift NACA 'wing sections.' The keel allows the board to be housed completely below the cabin sole and gets the ballast down low for stability. The board itself weighs only 65 pounds so that it does not form a major portion of the total ballast, stability is not dangerously reduced when it is retracted, and it can be raised easily by a child with no need for a winch.

The simple fractional rig can be raised right on the trailer in minutes. The jib is of very high aspect ratio for maximum efficiency, but small enough to be readily trimmed by a young crew. The mainsail can be quickly 'depowered' in puffy conditions, and it is large enough to provide good performance without the jib when desired -- a big advantage when in a crowded anchorage or when shorthanded. The cockpit is full 6' 4" long with coamings high enough to keep the crew securely inside. Both seats and coamings are precisely angled for maximum comfort, reflecting our years of careful ergonomic design development. There is a generous anchor locker forward, a fuel tank storage bin to port, and a full cockpit locker to starboard.

The Precision 18 is designed to be a lively, well-mannered sailboat rather than a floating vacation home, but the features described are noteworthy nonetheless. There is ample sitting headroom for 4 and a filler cushion that drops to form a 6'6" v=berth that is NOT broken up by the usual awkward mast support post. There are 6' quarter berths port and starboard, not to mention a 48 quart cooler, provision for a portable head, and 12-volt battery. A forward hatch provides ventilation and an emergency exit, and the large companionway and 4 opening cabin windows contribute to the feeling of light and open space.

Carefully controlling construction weight is critical to both performance and to price, but it cannot be done at the expense of safety or structural integrity. Thus the hull liner of the Precision 18 is engineered as a structural grid, and tooled to mate precisely with the hand-laminated hull skin. The mast support beam and chain plate loads are carried by structural bulkheads and there are rugged hull stringers to distribute the stresses imposed by trailering. The external hull/deck joint is bonded both chemically and mechanically, and the flange is protected with a vinyl rub rail.

The Precision 18 has been kept small in size and price, but remains big in both features and performance. She promises to deliver the fun, pure and simple!

Jim Taylor

Standard Equipment

Hand laid fiberglass hull and deck
Shoal draft keep w/fiberglass center board
Structural molded fiberglass liner
Lead ballasted, self-righting design
Kick-up fiberglass and aluminum rudder
Laminated mahogany and ash tiller
Molded in non-skid deck surface
6'4" self bailing cockpit
Fuel tank locker
Cockpit seat locker
Sliding companionway hatch
Molded in toerail
4-6" mooring cleats
Shear stripe
Waterline stripe
Stainless steel bow rail, stern rail, stanchions
and boarding ladder
Stainless steel, kick up motor mount
Stainless steel bow eye
Teak wood trim
4-opening cabin windows
Aluminum opening forward hatch
Hinged mast step
Anodized mast and boom
Stainless steel standing rigging
Split back stay
Cockpit lead halyards
Open body turnbuckles w/toggles
Dacron running rigging
"Harken" ball bearing blocks
Berths for 4 adults
Deluxe 3" fabric cushions
Backrest cushions
Upholstered cabin headliner
Molded storage lockers
Cabin storage shelves
48 quart ice chest w/teak step
Electrical system W/ navigation and cabin lights
Battery box
Space for Porta Potti
Dacron main and jib sails
Limited 5 year warranty

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Notice: All pricing subject to change without notice, FOB Palmetto, Florida. Prices do not include transportation to the dealer, state & local taxes, dealer preparation (commissioning) bottom paint, ground tackle or safety gear. Please consult with your authorized Precision dealer to select and budget for these additional items.

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Length Overall (LOA)	17.85'	Ballast/Displ. Ratio	55%
Waterline Length	14.35'	Sail Area	168 sq. ft.
Maximum Beam	6.2'	Mainsail Area	108 sq. ft.
Draft	3.25'	Jib Area	60 sq. ft.
Displacement	1240 lbs.	Optional Spinnaker	245 sq. ft.

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- based on standard canvas colors of blue, white, or red. (Special order colors quoted on request).		List prices, US $
Base Boat	Includes all standing gear, running gear, spinnaker gear, main sail cover, jib sock, lifting bridle, and import duty.	$27,900
Spinnaker Package	Triradial spinnaker, pole, Spectra sheets, topping lift, foreguy, Harken turning blocks, launching bag	included
Trailer	Ramp launchable	$3,250
Sails		tba
Tiller Cover	Acrylic canvas	tba
Engine Bracket	Factory installed, fiberglass with gelcoat	tba
Mast Bag	Completely covers rig for easier trailering	tba

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Chat 18 Plans Download
Chat 18 Plans Download. Click HERE to download Free Study Plans. About Woods Downloadable Plans. The Chat 18 is a safe day sailing catamaran designed for sheltered waters and is very simple and easy to sail. Even so, it is still a fun and responsive boat. Comprehensive building plans are now available.
Sailing Catamarans
The Chat 18 is a safe day sailing catamaran designed for sheltered waters and is very simple and easy to sail. Even so, it is still a fun and responsive boat. Comprehensive building plans cost GBP140. Please click on the button below if you wish to buy plans. Note: You can pay using Paypal or with your normal credit card.
Chat 18 Review in SCA
Of course the Chat18 is very stable, for the rig is smaller than most 16ft beach cats and obviously it's fitted on a much heavier boat. The Chat18 is only 8ft wide, so it is easy to trail and no assembly is needed. Indeed it will be quicker than most small monohulls to get from the trailer to the water, typically 15 minutes.
Erik's home built Chat 18...
Richard Woods Designs. · August 11, 2020 ·. Erik's home built Chat 18 catamaran has just celebrated its second birthday! Erik reports: "We are still sailing, and very much enjoying the boat! I've had a new mainsail made, which made a huge difference. See the picture of the sail, the boat is noticeably faster.
Gougeonified Chat 18 knockabout
The boat in the drawing (Woods' Chat 18) was stretched about 6ft longitudinally, for a total of 24x8 ft with a 12ft cockpit. Note I am not talking about the practical issues of stretching an existing design, just the concept.
Easily trailerable catamaran weekend boat
Right now I am looking at Chat 18 by Richard Woods and Weekender by the late Thomas Firth Jones. Any thoughts on the pros and cons of those two boats and/or suggestions of other designs to consider? Cheers, Matthew PS—I would actually prefer a cat rig with just one sail and I am open to other styles like spritsail or standing lug.
Chat 18 catamaran on launch day April 2021
This video was taken by neighbour and multihull sailor Oriel and shows my plywood Chat 18 catamaran on its first sail. Initially I was just going to motor it...
Chat 18 catamaran sailing in the upper reaches of the river Tamar
I have now been based on the west bank of the river Tamar for 40 years. Either living on a boat or in a waterfront house. The River Tamar marks the natural b...
Chat 18 catamaran and the Torpoint ferry
Chat 18 catamaran and the Torpoint chain ferrySailing our Chat 18 catamaran in the river Tamar offers several challenges. Not just from the strong tides or ...
Sailing Catamarans
You can use Nacra 5.2 catamaran rudders on a Chat 18 instead of the ones shown. You can use a swing down outbaord bracket instead of a nacelle. But make sure the engine clears the tiller bar when up and prop is at least 100mm in the water when at rest. You can use standard 75mm 3in glass tape instead of cloth.
Flat Chat 18- Bowdidge Marine Design
Mark Bowdidge brings forth the Flat Chat 18. Since his home land of Australia uses the metric system, the fact that this boat possesses an imperial unit of measurement in it's name lets you know just who he's aiming this design at huh? The other part of the name (Flat Chat), is Australian slang for "pedal to the metal." ...
Precision Boat Works P-18 Sailboat
There is a generous anchor locker forward, a fuel tank storage bin to port, and a full cockpit locker to starboard. The Precision 18 is designed to be a lively, well-mannered sailboat rather than a floating vacation home, but the features described are noteworthy nonetheless. There is ample sitting headroom for 4 and a filler cushion that drops ...
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Capri 18
22. Catalina 18 273 Pine Beach NJ. May 3, 2018. #2. One of the best features of the Catalina 18 for me,among many others,is it's shallow draft for a keel boat. There is a lot of water to be sailed in Barnegat Bay,NJ,but most boats are relegated to the deeper west side which can become very congested on the weekends.
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Ideal 18 Class Association. 40 Marina Drive. Rochester, NY 14617. USA. 585.342.3030 or 800.433.2518. [email protected]. www.ideal18.com. Shumway Marine is the exclusive US distributor of Ideal 18 sailboats.
Chat 18 catamaran second sail
This clip was from over six months ago, taken by a friend, of my second sail on the Chat 18. Winds were light and I was still getting used to the boat, so ma...
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The Sanderling is one of the oldest continuously produced fiberglass boats on the market and we are proud to have built over 860 of them since 1962. LOA: 18'2" LWL: 17'6" Beam: 8' 6" Draft: 19"board up & 4' 4" board down. Sail Area: 253 sq. ft. Displacement: 2200 lbs. Ballast: 500 Lbs. Our Catboat hulls and side decks are solid fiberglass ...
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