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Raised cabin vs flush deck
Discussion in ' Sailboats ' started by gmat , Nov 16, 2013 .
gmat graham
A lot of monohulls have side decks for accessing the front of the boat, and a raised cabin in the center of the boat giving head room below. If we took the roof of the raised cabin and extended it out to the sides of the boat, making a flush deck, we would get the same head room in the boat, but more actual space inside. Is there any reason other than aesthetics why such flush deck designs are not common? They should have roughly the same windage as the standard raised cabin approach ...
PAR Yacht Designer/Builder
As with everything, there's good and bad to consider. This is a raised, flush deck: http://www.boatdesign.net/gallery/data/500/medium/RYD-39.jpg as is this: and it is the strongest way to build a deck. Right about where the bottom of the ports are (my drawing), is where the sheer would be, if it was a conventional deck line (on the Cal 20 the sheer is more obvious). Of course, you'd need a "trunk" cabin sticking through the deck to offer the same headroom below. A trunk cabin does limit headroom somewhat, though along the sides of the interior are usually cabinets and seating, so you're not really standing there, but aesthetically, it's a much "bigger" space. If the truck cabin has it's sides pushed out to the rail, you gain this interior volume too, but it also makes it more difficult to climb over it to get to the foredeck. This type of cabin can make a small boat seem much bigger inside, even if the additional volume doesn't really affect the living spaces in a practical manner. This type of cabin (as well as the raised deck) will improve the stability curve a bit too, though there's a weight and a bit of windage penalty you have to pay for this convenience (more material and surface area). Also the trunk cabin pushed out to the deck edge leaves a place for boarding waves to pile up, particularly if you have deep bulwarks. Good scuppers can fix this issue. http://www.boatdesign.net/gallery/data/501/medium/BYYB-223.jpg Ultimately, potential buyers seem to like trunk cabins more than flush decks. I personally don't mind flush decks, often and usually requiring a "broken sheer" line, which most do find less aesthetically desirable. On my flush deck above, I use both the back half of a trunk cabin and the raised, flush deck. The idea being a transition to the flush deck, so you climb up to a conventional height sidedeck, before again climbing up onto the flush deck. So, yes some of the points you raise are reasonable, though there's more than meets the eye. There are a few other ways to skin this fish too.
michael pierzga Senior Member
Works ok on a small boat. On bigger boats it is undesirable for many reasons
troy2000 Senior Member
michael pierzga said: ↑ Works ok on a small boat. On bigger boats it is undesirable for many reasons Click to expand...
Well, imagine what the lifelines would look like on a bigger boat with two deck levels. Not pleasing to the eye. Small boats usually dont have stantions and life lines around the boat. Then consider that all the work that needs to be done on a sailboat...its sails ..are in the front of the boat and the best place for the work to take place, the controls , winches, are in the back near the crew and helmsman. It becomes difficult to leed all these lines aft to a level lower than the maindeck. It can be done but its complicated. Far easier to have normal side decks and a cabin house on a bigger sailing boat. Raised deck small sailboats are very nice. The classicis the stonehorse design http:// sube fotos
I agree that the space is possibly more of a perception than actual useable space. But I have seen the inside of a few flush decks boats and the perception is strong I was wondering why you consider there to be more windage. In the traditional raised cabin the windage is from the side of the boat plus the side of the cabin. In a flush deck the windage is from the extra high deck side, but the extra height is the same height as the cabin side in the traditional design. I take your point about scuppers -- very important. About getting to the back deck I am thinking about a 51-52 foot pilot house design with flush decks, and so trying to work out how to get to the deck in such a configuration. Also you say there is more than one way to skin this fish. I must admit I am at a loss other than flush deck or traditional.
On some boats it works.. A motorsailor for instance. http:// imagen
If you look at the evolution of sailboat deck design in the last 40 or 50 years, all sorts of ways have been tried to reduce windage and provide headroom under a deck. The old CCA style of yachts, pretty much all had trunk cabins sticking up through the deck. Some may have had rounded fronts, but they still just pocked through the deck. The side decks were low, crown was increased, bulwarks lowered, extruded toe rails introduced, etc. Blister style of decks appeared in the early 70's with the introduction of the IOR racers, again to reduce windage, yet still keep the sheer low. Progressively, the new hull forms of these yachts, required the sheer to be raised and a lot more deck crown employed, often designed with a thick deck flange (several inches), further raising the sheer line, to provide headroom below a reasonably sized deck house structure. Again, there are issues with both approaches (raised deck/trunk cabin). It's a mater of scale. The Cal 20 is just too small to have a reasonable head room below, yet the Flicka, using huge roof crown and deep belly can pull it off. These are aesthetic considerations for the most part, as expecting standing headroom in a 20' Flicka is just a wish for a canoe belly design. This is the rub, between say 20' to 35' on deck with modern, shallow hull forms. You can build the hull down and increase the draft, wetted surface and hull volume, for sufficient headroom without a Winnebago parked on the deck or use some other sort of visual trick, to fool the eye into thinking is not a Winnebago, but just a minivan sitting up there (like Flicka does). Once you get over the small and smaller medium size yachts, you have more then enough hull volume to contain the headroom. In terms of windage, you want a surfboard with a sail attached, but this doesn't offer much enclosed headroom. Anything bigger does and it's surface area and protrusions that you try to "clean" up. As I mentioned, there's lots of stuff to consider, like stanchion arrangements, which can be ugly on a broken sheer deck line, though they also can be acceptable, if well thought out. Life line arrangements aren't typically given a lot of thought, after they've been sized and spaced appropriately, but the better designers do put some aesthetic consideration into them, some quite clever. There's no doubt from a structural stand point, flush decks are much stronger, compared to a trunk cabin arrangement on the same hull. It also does make an interior feel much larger, even if the hull shape and typical accommodation setups do limit the practical nature of this increased volume. In the end, the choice can be a practical one, particularly on a small boat or maybe an blue water vessel, looking for every strength advantage it can get. I have a 50' design with a pilothouse and flush deck. I use the pilothouse as the transition from the standard deck height to the raised portion. It helps mitigate the break in the sheer, with the bulk of the pilothouse obscuring the sheer break. On a 50' - 52' yacht, especially if not performance oriented (the pilothouse suggests it's not), it pretty easy to make a pleasing profile. Trying the same thing on a 35'er will be quite tough, but you can still pull it off, though you'll have to make more design concessions in other areas.
Thanks for all the comments -- very interesting. The boat I am thinking of isn't supposed to be a speed machine (although I don't want a slug either ). It's a blue-water design for living on, and for traveling anywhere. I started with the Sponberg 45 design ( http://www.sponbergyachtdesign.com/Globetrotter45.htm ), and have been messing with different ideas, in particular making it a flush deck design.
You should stay with Mr Sponbergs design and not change it. The boat looks very well thought out. Other concepts would be the Freedom 40 type . Flush decks at sea are very intimidating for crew with no handholds, no toe grips and a long fall to the leeward side Flush deck never provide spray shelter for deck ventilation hatchs, hence they must be permanently dogged down
I disagree, in that flush decks are intimating at sea. Foot holds are usually installed, and if doubt, going forward without a safety lanyard will just show you how foolish you are. A wave or splash tall enough to climb over a raised deck bow, will also climb over a traditional sheered bow and it's trunk cabin, entering it's trunk mounted hatch. In fact the higher freeboard will cause less water to come aboard. Still it's a thing most sailors will have issue with, mostly because it's different than what they're familiar with. When GPS came in, many clung to their Loran units, hoping it was just a fad, but eventually adapted and this is the case with every different or new innovation in yachting. Old dodgers like me and Michael are hard to train for new tricks. Maybe with a shock collar, we can get Michael on board a flush decker.
I agree that the Sponberg 45 is a very nicely thought out boat. And I am not trying to change it necessarily, but to learn from it. For example I learned about free standing rigs from it. The rig is so different, so I wondered what else could be different (but useful, different to be different is pointless and possibly dangerous).
Tad Boat Designer
Raised decks by Ted Brewer http://www.tedbrewer.com/sail_glass/bluejeans.htm http://www.tedbrewer.com/sail_wood/mb&s.htm http://www.tedbrewer.com/sail_steel/northeast.htm http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=3660 And William Tripp http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=2632 http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=2517 Bruce King http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=2774 Dick Carter http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=2439 Jerry Cartwright http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=5745 Ron Holland http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=2566 Peter Ibold http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=4051 DicK Koopmans http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=7162 Myself.... http://www.tadroberts.ca/services/new-design/sail/pilotbay38
Thanks for all the links. The Cartwright 44 is actually where I first discovered the idea of the flush deck, and with a pilot house.
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tom28571 Senior Member
Flush deck or trunk cabin is almost always decided based n personal taste with only a little bit of practicality thrown in. I happen to like flush deck designs in both large and small boats but the advantages of the extra volume is most appreciated in the smaller ones. That extra volume is not just aesthetics. It provides a lot of righting moment in a big seaway or knockdown and, in many cases, makes it possible to sit on the sleeping berths and lean back comfortably, which may not be possible at all on their trunk cabin cousins where your head will bang the side deck. When there is no other suitable upright seating available on the interior, that is no small thing. There is extra windage in a flush deck in spite of an apparently equal height in profile, since negative windage is most apparent when the boat is heeled going to weather. There are many very handsome boats in either flush deck or trunk cabin and some that are really in between with only a small bubble of a trunk poking through the broad deck.
Atkin's Two Brothers, a 28' 9½" LOA raised deck pirogue-rigged Seabright Skiff, just for info.
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10-11-2016, 16:51
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10-11-2016, 16:55
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10-11-2016, 17:04
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10-11-2016, 17:07
Making A Comeback
While Flush are a traditional design, often seen in old wooden boats (e.g. Pilot Cutters), there is a revival of interest in flush deck boats seen at the highest levels of premium or expensive yachts, with some high-end marques such as Wally. I will post more about these in the future, but here are a couple of photos to give you a sense that FD boats are not obsolete or dead as a design .
10-11-2016, 17:25
Boat: 1962 Columbia 29 MK 1 #37
series of flush/raised deck boats the bahama 24,
and the and the 33
And let's not forget the good old 30 FYI I own the 24 Then there is the good old defender 29.
when on the hook allows the to be open in the rain. Air comes in. Rain does'nt
10-11-2016, 19:14
, of 5' w/ board up and 8' 6" board down. is 6'3" to 6' 5". Beam is 12'3". Several on Yachtworld with pictures
10-11-2016, 20:02
now until I drop asleep again.
10-11-2016, 20:06
, of 5' w/ board up and 8' 6" board down. is 6'3" to 6' 5". Beam is 12'3". Several on Yachtworld with pictures
11-11-2016, 06:37
Boat: 1968 Columbia 50
pulpits. there is a lot of room to store things on deck, and space to roam without having to step off of a top or have to worry about a narrow side deck(mine are around 3').
11-11-2016, 07:26
Boat: Comet 41s
resistance (windage) is a very important parameter in any sailboat design but you will not have less windage if you raise the freeboards a lot. I would say that in cruising boats under 50ft flush decks, all things considered are not a good option.
Let me point ou that it makes no sense to have flush decks if you are going to put a over, so for that to result in an aesthetically way the boat should have a dingy garage or be big enough to have (not a nice solution).
Over that size I like them and they are certainly one of the dominant, design trends in what regards modern cruising design. Well, even if not true flush decks at least, a tendency for that, like on most of the boats that have been posted on this thread. Some of my favorites:
11-11-2016, 08:52
. Thanks for each video, and I am sure those will open the eyes of many CF members who view this thread over time.
And I do encourage ANY CF to go visit your fascinating blog "Interesting Boats" (see the link below POLUX's signature) to see many more outstanding boats you have written about on your blog. I did and was exposed to a great many boats I had never seen, and I thoroughly enjoyed reading your views on them. ___________________
Or, to your points about the need for size? I really can't argue with your point about windage, freeboard, headroom, and dinghy . But, people are people. And there are as many views about what is "good" as there are people. So, while a Crocker designed FD boat that is only 23 feet long may seem to have too much windage and freeboard (at the forward of the half of the boat), it is a design that has appealed to many, pleases many, loved by some, hated by others, and to some looks "classic" and nice.
11-11-2016, 10:14
Boat: Comet 41s
Or, to your points about the need for size? I really can't argue with your point about windage, freeboard, headroom, and dinghy . But, people are people. And there are as many views about what is "good" as there are people. So, while a Crocker designed FD boat that is only 23 feet long may seem to have too much windage and freeboard (at the forward of the mast half of the boat), it is a design that has appealed to many, pleases many, loved by some, hated by others, and to some looks "classic" and nice.
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Lynch Yacht Sinking Off Sicily Proves as Baffling as It Is Tragic
As bodies were recovered, the authorities and experts wondered how a $40 million, stable and secure vessel could have sunk so quickly.
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By Emma Bubola and Michael J. de la Merced
Emma Bubola reported from Porticello, Italy, and Michael J. de la Merced from London.
Two months after being cleared in a bruising legal battle over fraud charges, the British tech mogul Mike Lynch celebrated his freedom with a cruise. He invited his family, friends and part of his legal team on board his luxury sailing yacht, a majestic 180-foot vessel named Bayesian after the mathematical theorem around which he had built his empire.
On Sunday night, after a tour of the Gulf of Naples, including Capri, and volcanic islands in the Eolian archipelago, the boat anchored half a mile off the Sicilian coast in Porticello, Italy. It chose a stretch of water favored by the Phoenicians thousands of years ago for its protection from the mistral wind and, in more recent times, by the yachts of tech billionaires. The boat was lit “like a Christmas tree,” local residents said, standing out against the full moon.
But about 4 a.m., calamity unfolded. A violent and fast storm hit the area with some of the strongest winds locals said they had ever felt. Fabio Cefalù, a fisherman, said he saw a flare pierce the darkness shortly after 4.
Minutes later, the yacht was underwater. Only dozens of cushions from the boat’s deck and a gigantic radar from its mast floated on the surface of the sea, fishermen said.
In all, 22 people were on board, 15 of whom were rescued. Six bodies — five passengers and the ship’s cook — had been recovered by Thursday afternoon, including that of Mr. Lynch, an Italian government official said, adding that the search was continuing for his daughter.
It was a tragic and mystifying turn of events for Mr. Lynch, 59, who had spent years seeking to clear his name and was finally inaugurating a new chapter in his life. Experts wondered how a $40 million yacht, so robust and stable could have been sunk by a storm near a port within minutes.
“It drives me insane,” said Giovanni Costantino, the chief executive of the Italian Sea Group, which in 2022 bought the company, Perini, that made the Bayesian. “Following all the proper procedures, that boat is unsinkable.”
The aura of misfortune only deepened when it emerged that Stephen Chamberlain, 52, a former vice president of finance for Mr. Lynch’s former company and a co-defendant in the fraud case, was killed two days earlier, when he was hit by a car while jogging near his house in England.
Since June, the two men had been in a jubilant mood. A jury in San Francisco had acquitted both on fraud charges that could have sent them to prison for two decades. There were hugs and tears, and they and their legal teams went for a celebratory dinner party at a restaurant in the city, said Gary S. Lincenberg, a lawyer for Mr. Chamberlain.
The sea excursion was meant as a thank-you by Mr. Lynch to those who had helped him in his legal travails. Among the guests was Christopher J. Morvillo, 59, a scion of a prominent New York family of lawyers who had represented Mr. Lynch for 12 years. He and his wife, Neda, 57, were among the missing.
So, too, was Jonathan Bloomer, 70, a veteran British insurance executive who chaired Morgan Stanley International and the insurer Hiscox.
The body of the ship’s cook, Recaldo Thomas, was recovered. All the other crew members survived. Among them was Leo Eppel, 19, of South Africa, who was on his first yacht voyage working as a deck steward, said a friend, who asked not to be identified.
Since the sinking, the recovery effort and investigation have turned the tiny port town of Porticello, a quiet enclave where older men sit bare-chested on balconies, into what feels like the set of a movie.
Helicopters have flown overhead. Ambulances have sped by with the sirens blaring. The Coast Guard has patrolled the waters off shore, within sight of a cordoned-off dock that had been turned into an emergency headquarters.
On Wednesday afternoon, a church bell tolled after the first body bag was loaded into an ambulance, a crowd watching in silence.
The survivors were sheltering in a sprawling resort near Porticello, with a view of the shipwreck spot, and had so far declined to comment.
Attilio Di Diodato, director of the Italian Air Force’s Center for Aerospace Meteorology and Climatology, said that the yacht had most likely been hit by a fierce “down burst” — when air generated within a thunderstorm descends rapidly — or by a waterspout , similar to a tornado over water.
He added that his agency had put out rough-sea warnings the previous evening, alerting sailors about storms and strong winds. Locals said the winds “felt like an earthquake.”
Mr. Costantino, the boat executive, said the yacht had been specifically designed for having a tall mast — the second-tallest aluminum mast in the world. He said the Bayesian was an extremely safe and secure boat that could list even to 75 degrees without capsizing.
But he said that if some of the hatches on the side and in the stern, or some of the deck doors, had been open, the boat could have taken on water and sunk. Standard procedure in such storms, he said, is to switch on the engine, lift the anchor and turn the boat into the wind, lowering the keel for extra stability, closing doors and gathering the guests in the main hall inside the deck.
12 guests occupied the yacht’s six cabins. There were also 10 crew members.
Open hatches, doors and cabin windows could have let in water during a storm, according to the manufacturer.
The New York Times attempted to reach the captain, James Cutfield, who had survived, for comment through social media, his brother and the management company of the yacht (which did not hire the crew), but did not make contact.
So far none of the surviving crew members have made a public statement about what happened that night.
Fabio Genco, the director of Palermo’s emergency services, who treated some of the survivors, said that the victims had recounted feeling as if the boat was being lifted, then suddenly dropped, with objects from the cabins falling on them.
The Italian Coast Guard said it had deployed a remotely operated vehicle that can prowl underwater for up to seven hours at a depth of more than 980 feet and record videos and images that they hoped would help them reconstruct the dynamics of the sinking. Such devices were used during the search and rescue operations of the Titan vessel that is believed to have imploded last summer near the wreckage of the Titanic.
After rescuers broke inside the yacht, they struggled to navigate the ropes and many pieces of furniture cluttering the vessel, said Luca Cari, a spokesman for Italy’s national firefighter corps.
Finally, as of Thursday morning, they had managed to retrieve all but one of the missing bodies, and hopes of finding the missing person alive were thin. “Can a human being be underwater for two days?” Mr. Cari asked.
What was certain was that Mr. Lynch’s death was yet another cruel twist of fate for a man who had spent years seeking to clear his name.
He earned a fortune in technology and was nicknamed Britain’s Bill Gates. But for more than a decade, he had been treated as anything but a respected tech leader.
He was accused by Hewlett-Packard, the American technological pioneer that had bought his software company, Autonomy, for $11 billion, of misleading it about his company’s worth. (Hewlett-Packard wrote down the value of the transaction by about $8.8 billion, and critics called it one of the worst deals of all time .) He had been increasingly shunned by the British establishment that he sought to break into after growing up working-class outside London.
He was extradited to San Francisco to face criminal charges, and confined to house arrest and 24-hour surveillance on his dime. In a townhouse in the Pacific Heights neighborhood — with security people he jokingly told associates were his “roommates” — he spent his mornings talking with researchers whom he funded personally on new applications for artificial intelligence. Afterward, he devoted hours to discussing legal strategy with his team.
Despite his persistent claims of innocence, even those close to Mr. Lynch had believed his odds of victory were slim. Autonomy’s chief financial officer, Sushovan Hussain, was convicted in 2018 of similar fraud charges and spent five years in prison.
During Mr. Lynch’s house arrest, his brother and mother died. His wife, Angela Bacares, frequently flew over from England, and she became a constant presence in the San Francisco courtroom during the trial.
After he was finally acquitted, Mr. Lynch had his eye on the future. “I am looking forward to returning to the U.K. and getting back to what I love most: my family and innovating in my field,” he said.
Elisabetta Povoledo contributed reporting from Pallanza, Italy.
Emma Bubola is a Times reporter based in Rome. More about Emma Bubola
Michael J. de la Merced has covered global business and finance news for The Times since 2006. More about Michael J. de la Merced
Mike Lynch and Daughter Among Six Missing After Yacht Sinks; Divers Struggle to Enter Wreck
Rescue personnel operate on boats on the sea near the scene where a luxury yacht sank, off the coast of Porticello, near the Sicilian city of Palermo, Italy, August 20, 2024. REUTERS/Guglielmo Mangiapane
By Giselda Vagnoni
PALERMO, Sicily (Reuters) -Divers scoured the wreck of a luxury yacht off Sicily's coast on Tuesday to find six missing people, including British tech entrepreneur Mike Lynch and his daughter, following an intense storm that sank the vessel on Monday.
The British-flagged Bayesian, a 56-metre-long (184-ft) superyacht, was carrying 22 people and anchored off the port of Porticello when it was hit by the fierce, pre-dawn storm.
Witnesses said the boat disappeared beneath the waves in a matter of minutes, baffling naval experts who said a boat as large as the Bayesian would have been designed to stay afloat for many hours despite taking on water.
Fifteen people escaped before it capsized and the body of one person who died was swiftly recovered. That left six passengers unaccounted for - Lynch and his 18-year-old daughter Hannah; Judy and Jonathan Bloomer, a non-executive chair of Morgan Stanley International; and Clifford Chance lawyer Chris Morvillo and his wife, Neda Morvillo.
However, there was little chance of finding more survivors, rescuers said. "The fear is that the bodies got trapped inside the vessel," said Salvatore Cocina, head of civil protection in Sicily.
The boat was lying at a depth of 49 metres (160 feet), giving divers only 8-10 minutes at the wreck site before they had to resurface. Entering the boat was also proving difficult, said the fire brigade, which is leading the search operation.
"Inside the sailing ship the spaces are very confined, and if you hit an obstacle it is very complicated to move forward, just as it is very difficult to find alternative routes," said fire spokesman Luca Cari.
One official, who declined to be named, said the divers had opened one access point, but this did not mean they could easily reach all parts of the submerged vessel.
Fire department diver Marco Tilotta told reporters the boat appeared to be intact and was lying on its right side. Divers had not ascertained whether the 72-metre-long mast had snapped somewhere along its length during the tempest.
Karsten Borner, the skipper of a boat that had been moored alongside the Bayesian, said the yacht flipped on its side soon after the storm hit and sank within two minutes, giving those below deck little time to get to safety.
LYNCH TRIAL
Lynch, 59, is one of the UK's best-known tech entrepreneurs. He built the country's largest software firm, Autonomy, and was referred to as Britain's Bill Gates.
He sold the firm to HP for $11 billion in 2011, after which the deal spectacularly unravelled with the U.S. tech giant accusing him of fraud, resulting in a lengthy trial. Lynch was eventually acquitted by a jury in San Francisco in June.
Morvillo represented Lynch in the case, while Bloomer had appeared as a character witness on his behalf.
In an extraordinary coincidence, Stephen Chamberlain, Mike Lynch's co-defendant in the trial, died following a road accident in Britain over the weekend, his lawyer said on Monday.
The Bayesian was owned by Lynch's wife, who survived the disaster, and other guests on the yacht included Lynch's colleagues. The only body so far retrieved was that of the onboard chef Ricardo Thomas, an Antiguan citizen.
The British government's Marine Accident Investigation Branch said it sent four of its inspectors to Sicily to conduct a "preliminary assessment."
'DIDN'T SEE IT COMING'
One expert at the scene of the disaster who declined to be named said an early focus of the official investigation would be whether the yacht's crew had closed access hatches into the vessel before the storm struck.
Investigators would look at whether appropriate measures had been taken, given the forecasts for bad weather overnight.
Borner, whose yacht was moored near the Bayesian, said that although there had been warnings of possible thunderstorms, there had been no indication they would be particularly violent.
"Thunderstorms can turn out good or bad and this one was a real violent squall ... very violent, very intense, a lot of water, and I think a turning system like a tornado," he told Reuters.
There was concern over how such a yacht was lost so quickly. One superyacht expert in Britain said the volume of water needed to sink the Bayesian was gigantic, with compartments in the ship designed to safeguard against such a catastrophe.
"I don't think the industry has ever faced anything like this. It's a horror story," he said, declining to be named.
Storms and heavy rains have ravaged Italy in recent days, after weeks of scorching heat warmed the sea temperature to record highs, raising the risk of extreme weather conditions, experts said.
"The sea surface temperature around Sicily was around 30 degrees Celsius (86 Fahrenheit), which is almost 3 degrees more than normal," said meteorologist Luca Mercalli.
"We can't say that this is all due to global warming but we can say that it has an amplifying effect," he told Reuters.
(Writing by Crispian Balmer; Reporting by Alvise Armellini, Giulia Segreti, Gavin Jones, William Schomberg, Catarina Demony, Sam Tobin and Josephine Mason; Editing by Bernadette Baum and Sharon Singleton)
Copyright 2024 Thomson Reuters .
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