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The Harbor 25 is a delight to sail. After I climbed aboard, this lively sloop began doing laps around much bigger boats as they lumbered in light air around the bay. The cockpit is 8 feet long, deep, roomy, and has high coamings. The helmsman can choose to look over the cabin house or duck behind it when spray blows back. All excess line stows in built-in pockets in the coamings and cabin bulkhead, eliminating the need for multiple sheet bags.

Below, the cabin is attractive but offers only sitting headroom. There’s a good-sized V-berth forward of a usable head that’s thoughtfully positioned under the forehatch, which is designed to accommodate a solar shower for owners who will weekend in their Harbor 25s. The cored-fiberglass bulkheads between the cabins feel rock solid. They’re matte-white and trimmed with varnished mahogany, which gives the interior a pleasing look.

The main cabin is a nice social area, with four opening ports and room for a simple galley. Two single quarter berths take up the area under the cockpit seats and are separated by a small Honda outboard gas powerhead that sits on a saildrive and turns a two-bladed Flex-O-Fold propeller.

This little boat reminds me of the ones I loved to cruise aboard for weeks at a time in the Gulf and San Juan islands of the Pacific Northwest when I was young. No doubt it will appeal as much to others who don’t need to bring all the comforts of home with them when they sail.

Harbor 25 Specs

LOA: 25′ 9″ LWL: 21′ 6″ Beam: 8′ 1″ Draft: 5′ 0″ Sail Area: 356 sq. ft. Displacement: 3,900 lb. Water: 13 gal. Fuel: 11 gal. Engine: 12.5-hp. Honda saildrive Designer: Stephen Schock Price: $81,000 W.D. Schock Corp., (951) 277-3377, www.wdschock.com

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The Daysailers of Daydreams

From the alerion express 28 to the wallynano, practical sailor examines the trend toward bigger, more expensive daysailers, and rates them according to style, construction, and performance..

A daysailer was once simple and small, an entry-level passport to the sport. In the new millennium, however, that has changed. Simplicity may still be a watchword, but the boats have grown into what could be called trophy boats. Hinckley Co.s latest daysail boat is 42 feet long. Morris Yachts is marketing a boat that stretches 53 feet as a daysailer. Ted Fontaine at Friendship Yachts already has built one that size. And these are only a few of the daysail boats with minimal accommodations, big cockpits, and over-size price tags that are filling up the fleet. In all, more than a dozen elegant daysailers have made it to market. This article compares an even dozen: the Alerion Express 28, 33, and 38 (Pearson Composites); e33 (e Sailing Yachts, Robbie Doyle and Jeremy Wurmfeld); the B-38 (Luca Brenta); Bruckmann 42 (Bruckmann Yachts); Crosscurrent 33 (Maxi Dolphin); the Friendship 40 (Ted Fontaine); Harbor 25 (W.D. Schock); Hinckley 42 (Hinckley Yachts), J-100 and J-124 (JBoats), Morris 36 (Morris Yachts), Sabre Spirit (Sabre Yachts), and the wallynano (Wally Yachts).

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By Ralph Naranjo

Lacking the time and opportunity to pursue racing and cruising the way that we used to, many of us have taken to daysailing. A daysailer was once simple and small, an entry-level passport to the sport. In the new millennium, however, that has changed. Simplicity may still be a watchword, but the boats have grown. Hinckley Co.s latest “DS” is 42 feet long. Morris Yachts is marketing a boat that stretches 53 feet as a daysailer. Ted Fontaine at Friendship already has built one that size. And these are only a few of the boats with minimal accommodations, big cockpits, and over-size pricetags filling up the fleet.

In all, more than a dozen “elegant daysailers” have made it to market. They have been well-received. Some say they represent the only real growth in new boat sales. Boosters claim they “address the kind of sailing that we actually do.” Cynics call them “a triumph of smoke and mirrors, branding, and snob appeal.”

Photo courtesy of Alerion Express

The dollars involved-up to $800,000 “base price”-made us wonder what they have to do with the average Practical Sailor reader. We tried to ignore the buzz the daysailer resurgence created at boat shows and in the glossy mags. Ultimately, it all boils down to this: These boats, like any other, get their “character” from their “characteristics.” Style, performance, control, comfort, and quality are key ingredients whether youre talking about a Sunfish or a Brenta 38. We focus here on todays “elegant daysailers” mostly to find out whats happening in this sphere and if we should pay attention.

The beginnings

Todays day boats harken back at least as far as 1912. Thats when Nathanael Herreshoff designed the 26-foot Alerion for his personal use. Like the boats of today, it provided nothing but the basics in terms of accommodation. Likewise, it was comfortable to sit in, sprightly under sail, and very pretty to behold.

The original is enshrined in the Mystic (Conn.) Seaport museum, but Garry Hoyt, always in search of a brighter idea, joined forces with designer Carl Schumacher around 1993 to produce a modern version. The Alerion Express 28 is true to the timeless look of the model, but made of modern materials and given a modern (though hardly unknown to Capt. Nat) fin keel and spade rudder. Advertised as “the prettiest girl at the dance,” over 400 hulls have been sold to date.

After developing more Alerions (20, 33, and 38), Hoyt left builder Pearson Composites, and a fleet of competitors appeared on the horizon.

President Jeff Johnstone of J-Boats recalls the 1992 U.S. Sailboat Show in Annapolis, Md., when a J-35 and the new J-105 were displayed side by side. Visitors could be heard wondering out loud, “Are the cruising amenities on the 35 worth the $50,000 price difference?”

“Today, especially if you live where you sail, people are realizing that they don’t need all the cruising stuff,” says Johnstone. “After all, if youve got a galley, somebodys got to cook.” We look at two J-Boats (J-100 and J-124) in the performance daysailer race.

The Hinckley Co. of Southwest Harbor, Maine, began building lobster boats in 1928. With sailing exemplars like the Bermuda 40 and Southwester 42, it achieved prominence in the yacht-building world. When it returned to the lobsterboat archetype with its Picnic boat in the mid 1990s, the full-circle was spectacular.

“People told us we were crazy building half-million-dollar 36-footers that slept just two,” says Sales Director John Correa. But style, luxury, and innovation (combining water-jet propulsion with joy-stick control) made the Picnic boat a legendary success (over 300 sold). Employing the same designer (Bruce King) and a somewhat similar approach, Hinckley recently introduced its DS 42, marketing it as a sailing Picnic boat.

The Friendship 40 was another boat inspired by the Picnic boat phenomena. “When I left Hinckley to start my own business,” explains designer Fontaine, “that Picnic-boat-with-sails idea, a boat that didnt depend on a commitment to racing or cruising, made sense. Since then, Ive taken my own tack, refined my ideas, found a builder, and sold more than a dozen. The Friendship sloop was the original lobsterboat. My Friendship 40 builds on that inspiration. But she has full headroom.”

courtesy of Alerion Express

Most American builders have, like Hoyt, chosen to base daysailers on traditional models. From Europe, however, come entries that are decidedly futuristic. Milanese designer Luca Brenta is best known for offshore megayachts ( Ghost , his various Wallys, and Swans custom Brenta 76), but hes also pursued another theme since he opened his office in 1986: His “B project” is a “quest to maximize pure pleasure under sail for all those aboard.” Teak decks, sofa seating, skin-tight sheeting angles, dual wheels, hydraulic sail controls, and more are part of his B-38. So, too, is styling that makes it a Ferrari among Model-Ts.

Also from Italy comes Maxi Dolphins Crosscurrent 33 and Andre Hoeks 36-foot Wallynano. To date, the innate conservatism of the American market has coupled with the declining dollar to keep these imports from having a major impact here.

Morris Yachts was doing well building quality cruisers when a wooden 1930s vintage 34-footer named Poppy was consigned to the yard for restoration. Designed by Sparkman & Stephens, the boat was resurrected to the point where it became the “boat of the fleet” at S&Ss 75th anniversary, a reunion that included such icons as Bolero , Dorade , Stormy Weather , and other classics. When Morris Yachts founder Tom Morris (who passed away in December) came upon an updated version of Poppy in the S&S files, he and his son, Cuyler, president of Morris Yachts, set out building traditional weekenders with sitting headroom, belowdecks sheeting, and no lifelines. They sell for “about $350,000” and are closing in on number 30.

The Harbor 25 from W.D. Schock, the e33 from sailmaker Robbie Doyle and Jeremy Wurmfeld, the Bruckmann 42 from Doug Zurn and Mark Bruckmann, and Jim Taylors Sabre Spirit round out our sample field. The last three show clearly that builders and designers of various backgrounds are being drawn into this daysailer movement.

Boats conceived without regard to handicap rules can achieve better speed. Similarly, daysailers offer a freedom from headroom, interior volume, and payload constraints. That enables their creators to concentrate on making them look good. Style becomes paramount. Lots of “pretty girls” have arrived at the dance.

Taste is subjective; beauty is in the beholders eye. For this survey of aesthetics, weve leaned upon the words of L. Francis Herreshoff, as written in his classic “The Commonsense of Yacht Design”: “Beauty is an attribute which delights the eye and the mind; delicacy of outline, harmony of proportion. The sole interest held by the eye in a straight line is in bending it. A curve to be interesting must be continually changing. Curves of a fixed radius are predictable. The reverse curve is vastly more interesting.”

Guided by these principles and a lack of commonsense, we rated and compared the looks of these beautiful boats. Highest on our list came the Alerion Express 28. Perhaps its our romantic preference for hull lines “sculpted” via carved half-model (as were those of Capt. Nat), but the limits, proportions, and resonances evident in the Alerion Express 28 seem just right. Its smaller and larger near-sisters seem less exquisite. Prejudice and snobbism could be causing us to prefer Schumachers “original” over the updates, but to us, theres a difference.

We gave equally high marks to the B-38. Totally different than the AE 28, it appealed through unity, integrity, and boldness. Says Eric Hall of Hall Spars: “I see lots of boats, and she is one of the few that made me fall in love. “

The Crosscurrent is also sexy, but its relatively low-aspect rig makes it seem squatty. The tumblehome transom and counter stern on the Friendship 40 not only echo the Friendship sloop but appeal on their own. The boats tall rig and low freeboard are a bit upsetting, but her ports, coamings, and house profile are masterful.

The Morris 36 is the queen of moderate. Stem and stern angle are restrained, its sheer has spring without slouch, and its house stops short of cluttering the skyline.

Pretty as they are, the next boats fall one tier, in our view: The bigger Morrises are endier than the 36, just a touch ungainly. Though we liked the jaunty, semi-hollow bow on the Bruckmann 42, the after part of the boat seemed overlong and a bit too low.

Robbie Doyle, founder and president of Doyle Sailmakers, calls his e33 “an Etchells on steroids,” but theres nothing ugly or bloated about the boat. If anything, its looks are a bit understated.

Crisp and balanced, the Sabre Spirit surprises by providing four bunks and full headroom in a boat that doesn’t stand out from the others.

The J-100 and J-124 have a distinct resemblance to the rest of the J-family. Its a sharp look, a look to be proud of, but not that expressive or unique.

Last on our style sheet come the Hinckley, the Harbor 25, and the Wally. Built by W.D. Schock, the Harbor is pleasant, unassuming, almost bland. It comes at the bottom because it doesn’t try to impress visually. The Hinckley and the Wallynano, on the other hand, try too hard. Faux-painting a carbon-fiber spar to look like spruce (as Hinckley does) recalls the wood-panel station wagons of the 70s. The luxuriant curves that distinguish Kings Picnic boats and mega-yachts look, to us, silly and extravagant on the daysailer. Given its minimal waterline and over-done overhangs, we find the Hinckley DS42 awkward rather than appealing.

Among the Europeans, vision and design intensity shine through in the B-38. The Wallynano, on the other hand, seems mixed up. Its “retro” reference to an outdated archetype combined with a cluster of clashing stylistic elements and conflicting purposes leaves us bewildered rather than bewitched.

Performance

Sailing performance isn’t as subjective as style, but neither is it a function of simple numbers. Though some look a bit like sportboats, delivering maximum speed isn’t what these daysailers are about. Rather, they all promise to be “lively and rewarding” without resorting to extra sails or crew. By sailing them, analyzing their designs, and gathering available intelligence, we tried to determine which candidates keep that promise best.

The B-38 looks like a rocket ship. Its sail area/displacement ratio of 31.4 is the highest in sight. With a beam of just 8 feet and a high ballast-displacement ratio, this formula for sailing-fast, flat, and under control -makes it the “high performance” option and puts it atop our performance rankings.

The Crosscurrent 33 relies more on beam and a low center of effort for its stability. Conceived by its builders at Maxi Dolphin as a day racer, it is robust enough to earn Class A (ocean certified) status but, laboring under a Performance Handicap Racing Fleet (PHRF) rating of 40, it proved sluggish, finishing last in its class at Key West Race Week. Gifted now with a PHRF 72, it has proven more competitive.

For the majority of these boats, racing isn’t the objective. Still, competition is the laboratory where performance gets refined. Explaining the genesis of the J-100 and J-124, Johnstone says, “It all begins with an easily driven hull. Going all the way back to the J-24 (over 5,400 sold), that was the key. With a slippery shape, you can afford a moderate sailplan. Working with a rating is, after all, determining how little measured sail area you need. Hull shape, weight placement, deck layout, raceboat design is intense.” Their longer waterlines, planing surfaces, and deep racing background earn the Js a spot behind the B-38, but ahead of the rest in the pecking order.

Photos (from top) by Billy Black

The e33 is Doyles first design. “Ive been campaigning an Etchells 22 for some time. [Hes finished in the money in the last three world championships.] Why can’t I bundle the fun of sailing dinghies in a boat for us “old guys” who don’t want to wake up sore after a regatta?” says Doyle. With S&S graduate Wurmfeld, Doyle developed “a narrow boat with a big bulb and controllable (no winches) units of sail.”

Wed heard the boat had “too much main” for average sailors, but while sailing it, we found that its 2,500-plus-pound deep keel kept it quite forgiving. Dodging through Marbleheads mooring field, it handled much like a dinghy ( Practical Sailor , November 2008).

The Sabre Spirit, despite weighing 3,400 pounds more than the e33, is nimble, too. Rather than a big-roach main like the e33, it has a taller, pointier, triangle controlled by a backstay. Says designer Jim Taylor, “We think the average sailor appreciates being able to get the most from the main without being an Olympian. Certainly with the small jibs on these boats, the mains become critical.” Sabre calls the boat a “weekender”-less racy than a dinghy, perhaps, but snappy nonetheless.

Sail area/displacement (horsepower/weight) calculations demand a grain of salt. They derive from figures that can be skewed, and reflect but few of the many factors that determine performance. Still, its significant that the remaining daysailers have similar SA/D ratios. With the exception of the Friendship 40, they are all very much alike.

Fontaine worked for years with sailmaker and designer Ted Hood; the F40 is a wide, whale-bodied, keel-centerboarder with a generous rig and hefty displacement reminiscent of the boats that Hood designed and campaigned. The rest are moderate-to-light displacement hulls with proportionate overhangs, narrow beams, separated rudders, and deep fins with bulbs. That directs the focus to ballast/displacement. The more the boats overall weight is used to produce stability, the better it can carry sail. Thats why the Harbor 25 (0.45) and Bruckmann 42 (0.46) look good. Alerions lesser numbers (0.38 and below) help explain why weve sometimes found them cranky in strong winds (over 18 knots, true).

We can confirm that the M-36 is slippery enough to headreach farther and faster than most modern racers weve sailed. We also have seen it soundly trounced upwind by a modern 35-foot racer-cruiser.

Two boats could not be more different than the Friendship and the Hinckley. So far, they have met in day races four times in all kinds of breeze. At last check, the score was 2-2. Go figure.

The aim here is to make it easier to go sailing. Crew weight used to be needed to balance the rig. With deep bulb keels, thats no longer true.

Getting rid of big headsails is great. Hoyts patented wishboom does a fine job-especially off the wind-on the Alerions, the Js, and the Harbor. The Bruckmann and Sabre Spirit are self-tacking by virtue of a single sheet led from a car on the foredeck track to a point high on the forward side of the mast. Morris uses basically the same geometry, but has the sheet disappear inside the spar and return to the cockpit invisibly. Hinckley, Brenta, Crosscurrent, and Doyle use a pair of sheets to control a non-overlapping jib that lives on a roller furler. The end result: No one fights a big genny, anyone can tack the boat singlehanded, and, unfortunately, line chafe is now out of sight and out of mind.

courtesy of Bruckmann Yachts; by Onne van der Wal

Sailing in 6 to 10 knots of breeze, we miss the power of the big sail somewhat, but attention paid to the main pays off in good acceleration even in low-pressure puffs. High-roach mains (e33, Alerion, Brenta, and Crosscurrent) have been proven on multihulls and sailboards to be more efficient than pointy-headed planforms. Having more of their sail power located in the controllable mainsail makes all of these boats easier to sail.

A keen eye toward comfort helps explain why todays trophy boats are so big and why they offer so little-a minimum of 4 feet-in shoal draft capability. Ballast displacement ratios count for a lot when it comes to keeping the boat upright.

In addition, the daysailers are drier than the little boats they replace. “I will always prefer the narrow boat in a seaway,” said Olin Stephens. Morris has capitalized on the S&S heritage with excellent seakeeping boats.

Fontaine has sailed the Friendship from Maine to the Caribbean. Doyle took the e33 on last summers Eastern Yacht Club cruise. In a universe where flat-bottomed, shallow-draft auxiliaries are the norm, these boats (with the obvious exception of the Italian imports) can be comfortable at sea.

Because its where sailors spend their time, cockpits have grown and luxuriated. You may bang your shins or be forced to sit below, but in the cockpit, youre king. Only the B-38 offers couches, but no maker here scrimps on cockpit comfort.

Although the usual owner of some of these boats isn’t the kind to paint his own antifouling, we can’t help but grouse about exterior wood flourishes that seem only to elevate the conspicuous consumption quotient.

courtesy of Friendship Yachts; courtesy of manufacturers

They may be retro in terms of aesthetics, but the trophy daysailers are up-to-the-instant in terms of boatbuilding.

From scrimp resin-infusion through vacuum-bagging and mixed-laminate composites, the hulls are high-tech. Getting the weight out of the structure and into the keel is the norm. Virtually all the boats have carbon-fiber masts (stiffer, easier to tune, and lighter). Velocity prediction, computer modeling and fairing, even programs to calculate sheet loads have helped engineer “products” very well.

In terms of construction, the Sabre Spirit stands out in this field as one of the better values.

Conclusions

Our first reaction was a paralytic form of sticker shock. Looking closer did not make the obscenity vanish, but weve adjusted a bit.

In an age of Wall Street bailouts, McMansions, and Manny Ramirez, millions get thrown around pretty easily. A boat you can enjoy, even love, can make the big dollars seem less far-fetched. Many of these trophy boats are lovable. For the most part, theyre gorgeous, well-made, and lots of fun to sail.

Choosing among them, we favor the genuine (like the Herreshoff-inspired Alerion) for looks and the competition-forged (Js and e33) for performance. We can’t help but fantasize about the B-38, identify with the down-to-earth mission of the Sabre Spirit, and hope that the Harbor 25 is extraordinary enough to confirm its spot as the bargain. We hate to dismiss the Bruckmann and the Crosscurrent as “me-too” imitations, but we found little that made them distinctive.

Popular boats like the Morrises and Hinckley daysailers don’t, in our opinion, justify their big tickets. However, owning an “elegant head-turner” is something many sailors are willing to pay for.

Ultimately, these daysailers seem to point toward a simplicity and ruggedness that replaces the “second home” mentality in favor of “the joy of sailing.” That much we can appreciate.

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Harbor 25 is a 25 ′ 9 ″ / 7.9 m monohull sailboat designed by Steven Schock and built by Schock W.D. starting in 2007.

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Auxilary power, accomodations, calculations.

The theoretical maximum speed that a displacement hull can move efficiently through the water is determined by it's waterline length and displacement. It may be unable to reach this speed if the boat is underpowered or heavily loaded, though it may exceed this speed given enough power. Read more.

Classic hull speed formula:

Hull Speed = 1.34 x √LWL

Max Speed/Length ratio = 8.26 ÷ Displacement/Length ratio .311 Hull Speed = Max Speed/Length ratio x √LWL

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A measure of the power of the sails relative to the weight of the boat. The higher the number, the higher the performance, but the harder the boat will be to handle. This ratio is a "non-dimensional" value that facilitates comparisons between boats of different types and sizes. Read more.

SA/D = SA ÷ (D ÷ 64) 2/3

• SA : Sail area in square feet, derived by adding the mainsail area to 100% of the foretriangle area (the lateral area above the deck between the mast and the forestay).
• D : Displacement in pounds.

Ballast / Displacement Ratio

A measure of the stability of a boat's hull that suggests how well a monohull will stand up to its sails. The ballast displacement ratio indicates how much of the weight of a boat is placed for maximum stability against capsizing and is an indicator of stiffness and resistance to capsize.

Ballast / Displacement * 100

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A measure of the weight of the boat relative to it's length at the waterline. The higher a boat’s D/L ratio, the more easily it will carry a load and the more comfortable its motion will be. The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more.

D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³

• D: Displacement of the boat in pounds.
• LWL: Waterline length in feet

Comfort Ratio

This ratio assess how quickly and abruptly a boat’s hull reacts to waves in a significant seaway, these being the elements of a boat’s motion most likely to cause seasickness. Read more.

Comfort ratio = D ÷ (.65 x (.7 LWL + .3 LOA) x Beam 1.33 )

• D: Displacement of the boat in pounds
• LOA: Length overall in feet
• Beam: Width of boat at the widest point in feet

Capsize Screening Formula

This formula attempts to indicate whether a given boat might be too wide and light to readily right itself after being overturned in extreme conditions. Read more.

CSV = Beam ÷ ³√(D / 64)

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A large comfortable cockpit, classic lines, traditional details, and an efficient hull shape. Most important of all, sailing is delightfully easy. The Harbor 25 has a self-tacking jib and in boom roller furling for the main. It is also equipped with an inboard engine, a head compartment for full-sized people, and bunks for naps and overnight cruising.The self-bailing cockpit of the Harbor 25 is eight feet in length and comfortably seats six adults.the halyards are internal, and they are led aft to the cockpit for easy sail adjustments.Her inboard diesel motor makes navigating in the marina and mooring field a dream. 

Hull Type: Fin w/bulb & spade rudder 

Rigging Type: Fractional Sloop 

LOA: 25.75 ft / 7.85 m 

LWL: 21.50 ft / 6.55 m 

Beam: 8.08 ft / 2.46 m 

S.A. (reported): 361.00 ft2 / 33.54 m2 

Draft (max): 5.00 ft / 1.52 m 

Displacement: 5,235 lb / 2,375 kg

Ballast: 1,900 lb / 862 kg 

S.A./Disp.: 19.21 

Bal./Disp.: 36.29 

Disp./Len.: 235.15 

Construction: FG Ballast Type: Lead 

First Built: 2007 

Builder: W. D. Schock Corp

Designer: Steven Schock 

I: 32.83 ft / 10.01 m 

J: 10.08 ft / 3.07 m 

P: 33.33 ft / 10.16 m 

E: 11.75 ft / 3.58 m 

S.A. Fore: 165.46 ft2 / 15.37 m2 

S.A. Main: 195.81 ft2 / 18.19 m2 

S.A. Total (100% Fore + Main Triangles) 

361.28 ft2 / 33.56 m2 

S.A./Disp. (calc.): 19.23 

Est. Forestay Len.: 34.34 ft / 10.47 m 

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2015 Schock Harbor 25 Sailboat $45,000

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This 2015 Schock Harbor 25 Sailboat is here in our yard now available to be viewed. This boat shows like NEW! It is presently in the water, in its slip at our yard. Additionally, this vessel has had very light use and has been well cared for and maintained here in our yard.

The Harbor 25 is a Schock designed Harbor 25 with a beautiful Flag Blue Hull. She is the yacht of your dreams and provides sailors with multiple sailing options. Additionally, this meticulously crafted vessel is a true embodiment of sailing excellence, offering a harmonious blend of performance, comfort, and classic design. Also, she’s a fast vessel that is tiller steered with an inboard diesel 15 Hp. Yanmar motor with folding prop. sail drive. Its modern sail plan, efficient rigging, and responsive handling make for an exhilarating sailing experience. additionally, with the Harbor’s classic lines and self-tacking Hoyt Jib, it is a dream to sail along with being a consistent head turner on land and on the water.

The cockpit of the Schock Harbor 25 is designed with your comfort and enjoyment in mind. Additionally, ample seating space (8′ beam) ensures that you along with your companions can relax while taking in the stunning views around you. Also, the well-placed controls and instruments make for easy handling, while also ensuring both solo sailing or crewed adventures are a breeze. Whether you’re engaging in adrenaline-fueled races or leisurely day sails, the ergonomic layout of the cockpit guarantees that you’ll be at the center of the action.

Below deck, you’ll find a cozy, thoughtfully designed cabin that offers a break from the elements without compromising style. For example, the warm, rich wood finishes create an inviting atmosphere. Additionally, the clever use of space ensures you have all the amenities you need while cruising. The compact galley is equipped with essential features, enabling you to prepare meals and refreshments while out on the water. Also, the berths provide sleeping accommodations for as many as a family of 4+, making overnight journeys a delightful experience. Whether solo day sailing, weekend excursions with family and friends or racing around the buoy, this 2015 Schock Harbor 25 offers it all. She is superbly appointed and has been very lightly used. Additional features that come with this vessel include the following;

• 2 Batteries
• Depth Sounder
• Wind Instruments
• Shore Power
• Marine Head
• Custom Winter Cover

Sail Equipment Included.

• Tacktick Wireless Instruments
• Custom Sunbrella Rain Fly
• 30 Amp Galvanic Isolator
• Custom Winter Cover, New 2023
• Main Halyard
• Jib Halyard
• Spinnaker Halyard
• Schaefer Rolling Furling
• Mainsheet Traveler
• Mainsail Cover

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1962 Schock 25 sailboat... tightening keel bolts

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I have this 1962 Schock 25 sailboat. Here are the stats for this boat: https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/schock-25 I haven't been able to find any info on tightening the keel bolts for this model sailboat. Is there some kind of "average" torque wrench foot pounds used to tighten keel bolts? Upon inspection of the keel-hull joint, I don't see any issues. This was prior to applying bottom paint. The bolt heads look good and I do not see any rust anywhere. Thanks for your comments/suggestions.  

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You can find general torque specs for bolt diameter sizes and thread count per inch on the Internet. I have found that torque specs for keel bolts do not necessarily follow the specs on general tables. Bolt material is also a factor. There is a thread on the Mirage forum dealing with keel torque. Schock may be able to help you. https://wdschockcorp.com/ -CH  

I don't know the bolt diameter (unless the head size of the bolt reveals the bolt diameter?) nor do I know the thread count. Nor do I know the bolt material. I read through the Mirage thread you referenced. I'm still pretty much in the dark on this. I've contacted Schock and submitted a query asking for information on keel bolt torque.  

@hnash53 I'm interested in what you learn so please post your findings.  

It's been about a week since I contacted Schock about my 1962 Schock sailboat to ask about the proper torque for the keel bolts. It doesn't surprise me that there's been no response to a question about a nearly 60 year old boat of theirs. I did a little tightening on my own using a 1/2" socket wrench to see/feel how loose/tight my boat's keel bolts. None of them were loose. I gently tightened them... less than half a turn at the most.  

I think you should be very wary of using bolt torque tables for keel bolts as the recommended torque is likely to be way higher than is safe for keel bolts thru fiberglass. those tables are for metal to metal bolted joints. There are lots of good reasons for oversizing keel bolts such as leaving them strong enough with substantial corrosion where it can't be seen. All bolts stretch and stretching could allow the keel to move so again you'd oversize the bolts to minimize the stretch.  

As I mentioned in the first post, I have not seen anything that might suggest an issue with the keel bolts. And since the boat is so old (1962), I thought that I should at least ask for info regarding the keel bolts. Thanks to all for your input on this.  

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1974 schock santana 25ft

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Im looking at a 74 25ft santana with a 10hp briggs and stratton engine, i didnt know that they made engines for sailboats and what is the history on this???? thanks  

christians1600 said: Im looking at a 74 25ft santana with a 10hp briggs and stratton engine, i didnt know that they made engines for sailboats and what is the history on this???? thanks Click to expand

santana 25 A friend of mine owned one of these in the 80`s It was a well designed fast light boat and a very competitive sailer in its day. I wouldnt put to much into a 35 year old mongrel gas inboard or worry about it either. Concentrate on the boat itself. It it sound and ready to sail. You can always remove the old inboard and replace it with a 6 0r 8 hp outboard. Any upgrades can be done off season.  

I don't know what use you have in mind for the boat, if you are planning on racing it you don't want the weight of an outboard hanging of the stern. Outboards have a tendency to lift the prop out of the water in a chop. Briggs engines seem to have kept the same design for years, if you needed one maybe a new one would fit right in. one of the good things about Briggs engines is that they are cheap and easy to rebuild. I don't know what the setup is on the boat, does it have a transmission? Anyway, it looks like a good research project. Have fun. Ray T  

Ray T said: I don't know what use you have in mind for the boat, if you are planning on racing it you don't want the weight of an outboard hanging of the stern. Outboards have a tendency to lift the prop out of the water in a chop. Briggs engines seem to have kept the same design for years, if you needed one maybe a new one would fit right in. one of the good things about Briggs engines is that they are cheap and easy to rebuild. I don't know what the setup is on the boat, does it have a transmission? Anyway, it looks like a good research project. Have fun. Ray T Click to expand

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got a 68 27' myself and i love it! set up for out board instead so one less bundle of things to worry about:dance:  

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Witnesses reported seeing the tornado-like phenomenon hit the Bayesian, a sailing yacht that sank off the coast of Sicily on Monday.

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By Eve Sampson

What caused the sinking on Monday of a sailing yacht carrying the British billionaire Mike Lynch and 21 other people off the coast of Sicily is still unknown. But some attention has focused on observations by witnesses, who described seeing a small tornado-like column known as a waterspout forming over the water during an abrupt and violent storm as the vessel sank.

Fifteen passengers on the 180-foot yacht, the Bayesian, escaped on a raft before being rescued by a neighboring cruise ship. The body of the ship’s cook was recovered on Monday and six people remain unaccounted for , including Mr. Lynch and his daughter Hannah, according to officials with Sicily’s civil protection agency.

Prosecutors in the nearby city of Termini Imerese have opened an inquiry into the cause of the sinking.

Here is what to know about waterspouts, a surprisingly common weather phenomenon that may have helped sink the luxury yacht.

What are waterspouts?

Waterspouts are columns of spinning air and moisture — similar to tornadoes over water, according to the National Weather Service .

While some form in fair weather, and are aptly called fair weather waterspouts, another more dangerous variety called tornadic waterspouts develops downward from a thunderstorm. These tornadic waterspouts can either form as regular tornadoes over land and move out to sea, or form in a storm already over a large body of water, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association .

Fair weather waterspouts are weak, often dissipate quickly and do not cause major damage, according to the agencies, but tornadic waterspouts are more often associated with high winds, dangerous and frequent lightning, and hail. The Italian authorities recorded strong winds and intense lightning activity at the time the yacht went down.

How common are waterspouts?

Experts say waterspouts may be more common than tornadoes, but because oceans are so vast, they are more difficult to track — and as difficult to predict.

“The Mediterranean is possibly one of the places where waterspouts are most likely around the world due to the warm ocean surface and a climate that is very susceptible to thunderstorms throughout the summer and autumn,” according to a statement by Peter Inness, a meteorologist at the University of Reading in the United Kingdom.

Mr. Inness pointed to a 2022 study by scientists from University of Barcelona , which found that waterspouts occurred more frequently over warmer sea surfaces. The North Atlantic ocean has been unusually hot for over a year, repeatedly reaching record highs for the time of year , according to data from the oceanic association.

The International Centre for Waterspout Research on Monday said on X , the platform formerly known as Twitter, that it had confirmed 18 waterspouts near Italy in recent days, and several fishermen in the area of the accident told Italian media that they had witnessed a waterspout near the yacht.

What may have happened?

Karsten Börner, the captain of the nearby boat that rescued the 15 passengers, said in an interview that he saw the Bayesian about 490 feet away before the wind and lightning picked up.

While it was difficult to see what happened amid the storm, “my theory was that she was capsized first and then went down over the stern,” he said.

Towering over 237 feet tall, the Bayesian mast was one of the tallest aluminum masts in the world and it also had a special keel that could be raised or lowered, according to its manufacturer, Perini Navi. A keel is the downward-extending centerline underneath a boat that can help stabilize the vessel.

“In this case, having a tall aluminum mast would not make it the safest port to be in case of a storm,” said Andrea Ratti, associate professor of nautical design and architecture technology the Politecnico di Milano.

He added that “a lot of questions will remain until we have other elements at our disposal.”

Elisabetta Povoledo contributed reporting.

Eve Sampson is a reporter covering international news and a member of the 2024-25 Times Fellowship class, a program for journalists early in their careers. More about Eve Sampson