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Installing a Transom-Mount Transducer on a Boat

By Jim Hendricks
Updated: April 6, 2020

It don’t mean a thing if ain’t got that ping. With apologies to the first lady of song, the late great Ella Fitzgerald, that sums up fish-finder performance. The world’s finest sonar is useless without a transducer that pings and receives the echoes in an effective manner. Ultimately, pings paint the picture of the underwater world. To work well, a transducer requires immersion in water that’s free of air bubbles that cause aeration and result in sonar interference.

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Many transducers are mounted with a bracket on the transom — a convenient location that requires no large holes in the bottom of the boat and eliminates interference with trailer bunks. But this zone is also prone to excessive aeration as H₂O streams out from under the hull and props agitate the water. These transducers demand careful installation. Here are tips for mounting one of the most popular transom-mount models, the Airmar P66 dual-frequency ’ducer (available with a speed and temp sensor)on a sterndrive boat with a 12-degree transom angle. Make sure the connector plug on the cable matches the transducer port for your particular brand of fish finder.

Skill Level: 2 of 5

Finish Time: Approx. 3 hours

Tools and Supplies

• Airmar P66 transom-mount Triducer with speed and temp sensors ($159.99, westmarine.com )

• Power drill, drill-bit set and countersink

• Phillips screwdriver

• Straightedge

• 3M 4200 marine sealant

• Electricians snake (for routing cables)

• Masking tape (to secure template)

• Measuring tape

• Stern Saver mounting block, to avoid drilling into the transom ($49.99, tacklewarehouse.com )

On single-drive boats, Airmar recommends locating the P66 on the side where propeller blades are moving downward, which is usually the starboard-side of a single outboard or sterndrive. It should be as close to the centerline as possible but at least 3 inches outside the swing radius of the prop blades. For twin drives, mount the transducer between the drives. Avoid areas abaft through-hull fittings or pickups that create turbulence. If you opted for a speed sensor, connect the cable to the fish finder and spin the paddle wheel to ensure it reads. Make sure there is a relatively accurate (ambient air) temp reading. If not, return it to your place of purchase.

Tip: An alternate to drilling holes in the transom, especially on aluminum boats, is to use a King Starboard (poly) block such as a Stern Saver to accept the retaining hardware. The block gets glued to the hull with a special adhesive, and hardware gets screwed into the block.

Use the template to position the bracket

Cut out the supplied template and position it so the arrow at the bottom is aligned with the bottom edge of the transom. Be sure the template is parallel with the waterline, then tape it in place. Using a 9/64-inch bit, drill three holes 7/8-inch deep at the marked locations. To prevent from drilling too deeply, wrap masking tape around the bit 7/8-inch from the point. To minimize gelcoat cracking, run the drill in reverse until the gelcoat is penetrated. After drilling, lightly chamfer each hole with a countersink bit to prevent further cracking. Drill holes 90 degrees to the angled transom surface, not horizontally, to ensure that the screw heads sit flush with the bracket.

Tip: Drill the holes at position B on the template for hulls with reverse transom slopes of between 16 and 22 degrees. Use position A to drill holes if the slope is between 2 and 15 degrees.

With the bracket removed, apply marine sealant such as 3M 4200 (suitable for below-the-waterline applications) to the supplied three No. 10-by-13/4-inch self-tapping stainless-steel screws. Also squeeze sealant into each of the three mounting holes that you drilled in the previous step. Use a manual Phillips screwdriver to screw the bracket into the transom, but don’t completely tighten screws at this point. Slide the bracket up or down in the slotted adjustment holes until the distance from the bottom left corner and bottom of the transom is 11/2 inches. Then make sure the bottom of the bracket is parallel with the waterline. At this point, tighten the screws.

Open the retaining cover on the top of the transducer bracket by depressing the latch and rotating the cover downward. Then insert the transducer’s pivot posts into the slots on the top the bracket. With posts in position, push down on the transducer to click the posts in place. Rotate the transducer downward until it snaps into the bracket. Close the retaining cover. Install the paddle-wheel speed sensor, if you have one. Route the transducer cable to the fish finder. If it is necessary to drill through the transom to route the cable, be sure to use the supplied cable cap and sealant to prevent water intrusion. Use cable clamps to secure the cable along the length of its run.

Tip: If you need to release the transducer from the bracket, use a sharp upward blow with your palm on the underside of the ’ducer. This allows access to the mounting screws if you need to adjust the height. If the transducer accidentally gets latched before mounting to the transom, slots on each side of the bracket allow a screwdriver to be inserted, releasing the bracket.

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Where Is The Best Place To Mount A Transducer? (Top 5 Locations)

UPDATED 03 NOVEMBER 2023

by Robert Ceran

Are you wondering where to mount your fish finder transducer?

As you probably know, it’s essential to install your transducer correctly in order to get good performance from it.

Table of Contents

But choosing the right location to mount a transducer is more complicated than most people anticipate, since each location comes with its own set of challenges and pros and cons.

In this article we’ll go over the 5 best places to mount a transducer on a boat, and what you need to know in order to choose the right location for your transducer.

Where to mount a transducer on a boat

The top five transducer mounting locations on a boat are:

Transom mount
Trolling motor mount
In-hull mount
Thru hull mount

Out of these five transducer placement options, the most commonly used ones by far are transom and trolling motor mounts, though the other three can also be great options for specific situations and applications.

When choosing the right transducer mounting location, it’s important to keep in mind that all of these options come with their own pros and cons, and you should weigh these carefully before choosing the right one for your purposes.

Screwless transducer mounting kit

Pad for mounting your transducer without screwing into the boat hull.

Where to mount transducer on transom

Now let’s talk about choosing the best transom mount transducer location, since this is one of the most commonly used places to mount a transducer on a boat.

Unfortunately, many anglers choose an incorrect transducer placement on the transom, and as a result they experience problems with their sonar imaging.

That’s why it’s so important to get the transducer placement right in order to achieve the best results.

What is the best transom mount transducer location?

It’s essential to mount your transducer in an area of the transom that doesn’t have any turbulence, since even a little turbulence can negatively impact the quality of your sonar image.

Diagram showing ideal transom mount tranducer location

This means you should avoid areas with turbulent water flow aft of rivets, strakes, or ribs in the hull. Choose a transducer placement spot on the transom where the hull in front of this location is flat and smooth.

Also, make sure that the transducer is at least 15 inches away from the propeller of your outboard motor, and check whether the outboard can rotate fully in all directions without bumping into the transducer (which needs to be checked in the fully trimmed position).

What is the best transducer mounting height?

The best transducer mounting height is at the bottom edge of the transom, with the lower surface of the transducer protruding about 1/32 to 1/16 inches below the bottom of the boat.

It’s important to avoid mounting the transducer too high on the transom, since this will cause it to be out of the water at planing speed (keep in mind that the water level of the transom drops when the boat is on plane).

If you mount your transducer too high on the transom, this will still allow it to function at slow speeds under 2 to 3 mph. But as soon as the boat gets faster than that, the transducer will stop working.

Diagram showin ideal transducer mounting height

Secondly, you also want to avoid the transducer being too low on the transom, as that will trigger turbulence and rooster tail formation, which also negatively affects the quality of sonar imaging.

So the ideal transducer mounting height on the transom is with the bottom surface of the transducer just slightly protruding below the bottom of the boat (see diagram above).

How far should a transducer be in the water?

The transducer placement needs to be deep enough so that its piezoelectric crystals are fully covered by water.

This can be accomplished even if the top of the transducer is flush with the water level, but if its crystals are out of the water, the sonar can’t function, and you won’t get an image.

One thing you need to keep in mind is that the water level of the transom goes down at planing speed, and if your transducer is mounted too high, the crystals will be out of the water when you’re going fast.

Should the transducer be flush with the bottom of the boat?

No, it’s actually better if the bottom edge of the transducer protrudes by about 1/32 to 1/16 inch below the bottom of the boat.

This is just enough to ensure that it is covered by water even at planing speed, but not low enough to trigger turbulence and rooster tail formation.

If the transducer is flush with the bottom of the boat, it will still work at slower speed, but not at high speeds.

Can you mount a transducer too low?

Yes, if you mount a transducer too low, it will trigger turbulence and air bubble formation around the transducer, as well as rooster tail formation behind the transducer.

This turbulence decreases the quality of the sonar imaging, especially when your boat is planing at higher speed.

What side of the boat do you mount a transducer?

A transducer should be mounted on the side of the boat with the downstroke of the outboard propeller, which is usually on the starboard side.

An easy way to check this for your boat is to observe the direction of rotation of your propeller. If it’s clockwise, then your transducer placement should be on the starboard side, but if it’s anti-clockwise, then the transducer should be on the port side.

The side of the transom with the downward stroke of the prop has less turbulence than the side with the upward stroke, which is why it is the best transducer mounting location.

Where to mount a transducer on trolling motor

The best place to mount a transducer on a trolling motor depends on the type of transducer you’re using.

A forward facing transducer (such as LiveScope, Active Target , or MEGA Live) should be mounted on the shaft of the trolling motor, as that gives it an unobstructed view in the forward direction.

The great thing about this type of transducer mount is that it will automatically point your transducer in the same direction as the trolling motor.

However, you can also achieve this with a trolling motor barrel mount if the transducer is placed on the side of the lower compartment.

If you want to mount a 2D or down imaging transducer on your trolling motor, the best way to do this is with a barrel mount, which uses a circular mounting bracket that fits around the lower compartment of the trolling motor.

This mounting location is ideal for pointing the transducer downwards without obstructing its view.

The best locations to mount different types of transducers

Now let’s take a closer look at different types of transducers, and the best mounting locations for each of them.

Where to mount a side imaging transducer

The best location to mount a side imaging transducer is at the transom, since that usually allows its sonar beams to shoot sideways in both directions while you’re driving the boat around, which enables you to scout large areas of water to both sides without having to slow down.

But when mounting a side imaging transducer on the transom, you need to take care that you put it in a spot where it isn’t blocked on one side by the outboard motor when it is fully trimmed down.

Where to mount a down imaging transducer

The best location to mount a down imaging transducer is either the transom, or the trolling motor.

Which transducer placement is best for you depends on whether you plan to use the down imaging while you’re driving around (in which case a transom mount is best), or while you’re fishing (in which case a trolling motor mount is best).

If you mount your transducer on your trolling motor, the best option is a barrel mount, since that allows you to position it at the very bottom and pointing downwards with an unobstructed view.

Finally, Humminbird offers several thru hull down imaging transducers that you can mount inside your boat without drilling a hole.

This option is great if you want to use down imaging to scan the water below while driving around with your boat at planing speed.

Where to mount a LiveScope transducer

The best location to mount a LiveScope transducer is on the shaft of your trolling motor, which is ideal for a forward facing sonar. This also holds true for other brands of live sonar, including Lowrance Active Target or Humminbird MEGA Live .

However, an alternative option is to use a transducer mounting pole , which was specifically designed for live sonars, and can be positioned at the front of your boat similar to a trolling motor.

The nice thing about using a transducer mounting pole is that you can point your transducer in different directions independently of the trolling motor, simply by rotating the handle of the mounting pole.

The same mounting locations that are ideal for live sonar transducers are also a great choice for Humminbird 360 or Mega 360 transducers.

Where to mount an in-hull transducer

The best place to mount an In-hull transducer is as close as possible to the centerline of the hull and towards the aft end, since this part of the hull remains in contact with the water even at high speed.

If mounted correctly, this transducer location will allow you to get high quality sonar readings at high speed with an in-hull transducer.

But keep in mind that in-hull transducers can only be used on fiberglass boats, since fiberglass has sonar characteristics that are similar to water, which enables an in-hull transducer to shoot its sonar beam through the hull.

When choosing the right location to mount an in-hull transducer, choose an area that has no ribs, rivets, or other protrusions on the outside of the hull, in order to avoid water turbulence.

You also need to avoid locations with cables or other sources of interference.

Where to mount a thru hull transducer

The best place for mounting a thru hull transducer is as close as possible to the centerline of the hull and towards the aft of the boat.

Choosing an aft midship transducer placement ensures that the transducer will be in contact with water even when planing at high speed.

Also, if you have an inboard motor, make sure that the thru hull transducer is mounted forward of the propeller.

Where to mount a transducer on a pontoon boat

The best place to mount a transducer is at the bottom edge of the bracket at the back end on one of the pontoon tubes.

Since pontoon boats are built on top of pontoon tubes, they don’t have a transom like other boat types, and so require a different using a different location to mount a transducer.

When mounting the transducer, make sure that it is just under the water line, and parallel to the water surface.

If your cockpit is on the starboard side, it’s a good idea to mount the transducer on the same side, to make it easier to run a cable to the cockpit.

And when you lay down the cable, make sure to keep it away from any other wires or electronic devices that can cause interference.

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Installing transducer on transom

Thread starter Yosi
Start date Aug 28, 2013
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I'm looking to install Lowrance Elite7 HDI on my 26M. I saw at the dry storage 26m and 26x with ducer screwed directly to the transom. A bit scary to me to screw directly into the transom. Anyone tried to first adhere a block of hard plastic and then screw the ducer to the block to avoid making any holes into the hull?

there are too many better options than to mount it on the transom... no matter if you screw it or glue it. a "shoot thru" installation will be a simpler and more dependable way to install it, and no holes.

centerline said: there are too many better options than to mount it on the transom... no matter if you screw it or glue it. a "shoot thru" installation will be a simpler and more dependable way to install it, and no holes. Click to expand

Roadking Larry

Mine is in a 26S but I put the xducer in the bottom of the stern locker.

You can mount a block of HDPE or some other material and fasten it above the water line. Then just screw the Xducer to it. Mine is on the transom. It works great until I heal sharply, but then most depth measurements aren't accurate at angle either. FWIW, I get accurate water temp this way.

Thanks Justin. That's exactly what I was thinking but wondered if anyone tried it. Being new to sailing and having just purchased the boat I hate the thought of making holes in it. Also, since it has the ballast tanks I thought that transom mount is the only option, but maybe I'm wrong about that.

I did it on the Mac 25. That low in the transom the glass is pretty thick. I used ss sheet metal screws. The water temperature issue is the only advantage. If I had to it again I would mount it through hull. I temporarily mounted a transom mount transducer through hull on the Catalina 27 three years ago with bees wax (toilet ring wax) and it is still working just fine. My sounder also has a fish finder that we use regularly.

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Yosi said: Thanks Justin. That's exactly what I was thinking but wondered if anyone tried it. Being new to sailing and having just purchased the boat I hate the thought of making holes in it. Also, since it has the ballast tanks I thought that transom mount is the only option, but maybe I'm wrong about that. Click to expand

I installed my shoot thru transducer using toilet gasket wax port side just above the long ballast hump just behind the battery space. Solid hull here. Works great unless I go to fast (over 7 knots).

Doc_holiday

Mine is also in the laz (stern locker) just starboard of the centerline. I used wax from 2 toilet rings and yet to see it give me any false readings. I can't say much for water temp tho.

Justin_NSA said: You can mount a block of HDPE or some other material and fasten it above the water line. Then just screw the Xducer to it. Mine is on the transom. It works great until I heal sharply, but then most depth measurements aren't accurate at angle either. FWIW, I get accurate water temp this way. Click to expand

Thank you all. After reading your responses and on the web, I'm going with transom mount. Sum, I've been reading a lot of your postings and visiting your websites. I appreciate your documenting mods and trips as I learned a lot from reading it. Thank you and keep sailing and posting.

Yosi said: Thank you all. After reading your responses and on the web, I'm going with transom mount. Sum, I've been reading a lot of your postings and visiting your websites. I appreciate your documenting mods and trips as I learned a lot from reading it. Thank you and keep sailing and posting. Click to expand

Chris & Lenore

A thru hull transducer in the laz should not scare anyone.... The fibreglass there (at least on Teliki) is almost an inch thick. The aft locker area is isolated from the cabin so even of there was a leak It would to sink the boat. A proper marine thru hull transducer is a permanent deal - install it and forget it. They don't leak or "blow out", are flush and give maximum range and accuracy. To each their own but don't let a thru hull scare you off - its what the " big boats" do, so that says a lot. Chris

Sum, interestingly I just drove by Bonneville a couple of weeks ago towing my newly purchased Mac from Idaho. Was considering stoping by to check it out, but by that time my wife and I were rather tired and decided to just continue to SF.

I know what you are saying Chris. Still I have a Bayliner 175 that came with transom mounted xducer and it works great. I know I would sometimes sail the Mac at high speeds using the motor (that's why I got an M). So, why assume the trepidation of cutting holes into a perfectly good hull if I can simply mount it in the transom (and just be careful not to knock it off). Another idea I'm considering is somehow link it to the ballast valve handle. This way, when valve is closed, xducer is in the water. When I open the valve to drain, xducer is raised. I will never operate without ballast, so in operation xducer will always be in water. More ambitious, but doable.

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04-04-2021, 17:33
	a solid ? Example would be the HV-100 unit. using , caulking, oil/water baths, and even ring wax as acoustic coupling methods. However I just assume these are all narrow beam transducers. I would like to know if anyone has had luck mounting one of these big bois inside the hull of a sailboat. Use case: It would be nice to have a capable chart plotter, and I would like a working gauge. Units like the Elements S or HV series seem to perform both of these as well as show the bottom of an anchorage in great detail or maybe if I ever do that. They do all that, at a really great compared to stand-alone units. - AT

05-04-2021, 04:40
Boat: (Cruiser Living On Dirt)	options. to , on an “ -hull” . HV-100 All-in-one transom mount transducer HV-300TH All-in-one plastic thru-hull transducer ➥

05-04-2021, 04:58

, on an -hull .
HV-100 All-in-one transom mount transducer
HV-300TH All-in-one plastic thru-hull transducer
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05-04-2021, 05:07
Boat: (Cruiser Living On Dirt)

05-04-2021, 05:16
Boat: Moody 31	and testing a location to ensure it gave a good signal and picture before fixing permanently with glue, or even in an bath. however, these new Chirp transducers which you have are a completely different kettle of . For a start there is a reason Raymarine mount them outside the hull, they get hot. If the old style transducers fired a a signal 10 times a second then the new ones are 100x a second and that needs . I spent quite some time firstly with my local very knowledgeable RM dealer and then RM at the boatshow and there is no 'glue inside option' for the new transducers, that will achieve a really good picture which is the whole point of choose the latest Chirp transducers. One final point, you can't use a HV100 transducer on an Element S. I really wish you could and I would, but you can't, its the lower CPT 100 only. You need the other Element HV if you want to use a HV100 transducer.

05-04-2021, 05:33

05-04-2021, 05:35
Boat: no boat any more	when mounted inside the hull. If you look at the graphics showing the shapes of the sonar beams it seems evident, that sonar beams having to cross laminate at such shallow angles (& the return too!) will not result in any usable . I could well imagine the 2D beams will work, but for these no expensive side transducer will be needed. Of course you are welcome to try, it's only , you know. (Humminbird makes side imaging transducers to mount in holes in the hull. I would mount the SI transducer on a foilshaped "oar" that can be lowered when scouting through an anchorage. I would not expect too much from the whole setup: to get meaningful images of the seabed you have to go at a constant speed & in a straight line: any curves, rolling or pitching will strongly influence the images.

05-04-2021, 05:38
Boat: no boat any more

05-04-2021, 05:46

, you know.
(Humminbird makes side imaging transducers to mount in holes in the hull.
I would mount the SI transducer on a foilshaped "oar" that can be lowered when scouting through an anchorage.
I would not expect too much from the whole setup: to get meaningful images of the seabed you have to go at a constant speed & in a straight line: any curves, rolling or pitching will strongly influence the images.

05-04-2021, 05:56
Boat: no boat any more	beam/frequency will be influenced by thickness & quality (airbubbles) of the laminate. Recommended procedure for shoot-through-hull mounting (special "puck" transducers available, but stern transducers can be glued in too): "dam off" the place in the where the xducer is to go, put there & try the xducer, submerged in the water, out. If you get a reasonable sonar return (bottom profile,.... ) remove water & glue xducer in. No Silicone, epoxi! Take care not to stir bubbles into the epoxi when mixing.

05-04-2021, 06:06
Boat: no boat any more

05-04-2021, 06:15
Boat: 2019 Seawind 1160 Lite	unit transducers, similar to the pic you posted. Dual frequency, chirp. It will shoot thru the . Mine is unused, because tech says it needs water flow to cool, or otherwise it will fail quickly due to overheat. So I have one of the Garmin dual frequency units designed to be used inside hull. Problem is that it doesn't take much air bubbles to lose the reading. Mine is on a Sport Outlaw 230X. Loses reading at about 8 mph.

05-04-2021, 06:19
Boat: O'Day 30 CB	scratching, I didn't come up with any great ideas, so I went with a silly idea. I took a piece of scrap cedar 2x4 about 3' long, cut a very crude V-shaped "bow" on the front end, and zip tied my transducer to the 2x4. I tow this just behind the transom with a rod. To my complete surprise, it worked. It actually worked pretty well, and didn't pick up too much floating junk, it tends to just skip over things. I'm going to refine the idea a bit and try it behind my new to me 30' on the . It might just work.

05-04-2021, 06:47

beam/frequency will be influenced by thickness & quality (airbubbles) of the laminate. Recommended procedure for shoot-through-hull mounting (special "puck" transducers available, but stern transducers can be glued in too):
"dam off" the place in the where the xducer is to go, put water there & try the xducer, submerged in the water, out. If you get a reasonable sonar return (bottom profile,.... ) remove water & glue xducer in. No Silicone, epoxi! Take care not to stir bubbles into the epoxi when mixing.

05-04-2021, 08:45
	. I think the sidevision imaging will be completely useless in the configuration you are suggesting because the cone of is from left horizontal to right horizontal. Attenuation ------------- Additionally, there will be signal loss by shooting through the hull. That loss depends on the frequency of the transducer and the index of refraction differences between the housing, the liquid you encase it with, the hull and the water. Each boundary has a certain amount of reflection associated with it reducing the gain of the signal. Lower frequencies will have more penetrating and less attenuation by going through the hull. Higher frequencies provide more definition but experience more attenuation. The HV-100 only uses higher frequencies 200KHz+ so I would assume it will experience a significant amount of attenuation. It does have a fair bit of transmission power so it may be able to work to a degree. Heat ----- With my Garmin LiveScope transducer I have received a "Transducer Overheated" message when I had the transducer out of the water. I believe this is common with CHIRP transducers as well so that is another issue you may run into using an in hull installation. I would use an in-hull installation like you are suggesting only to identify bottom . In powerboats, this is common when you want to read bottom depth at planing speeds. In a sailboat, I wouldn't use the HV-100 for that. I would use a cheaper, lower frequency, dedicated in-hull transducer.

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Transom Mount Vs Thru Hull Transducer: Unveiling the Perfect Sonar Solution

Transom mount and thru-hull transducers are two options for installing a fish finder on a boat.

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Understanding Transom Mount Transducers

Transom mount transducers are a popular choice for many anglers. These transducers are attached to the back or the transom of the boat. They are typically easy to install and can be adjusted to achieve optimal performance. A transom mount transducer sends and receives signals by shooting them directly through the hull of the boat.

This method allows for accurate readings and reliable fish detection. However, there are some limitations to consider. Transom mount transducers may not perform as well at higher speeds or in rough water conditions. Additionally, their position on the outside of the boat can make them susceptible to damage.

Despite these limitations, transom mount transducers are a cost-effective and convenient option for most boaters. Overall, understanding the features and limitations of transom mount transducers is important when choosing the right option for your fishing needs.

Exploring Thru Hull Transducers

Thru hull transducers are an essential component in the world of marine electronics. These transducers are installed through the hull of a boat, allowing for accurate depth and fish-finding capabilities. Their main purpose is to transmit and receive sonar signals underwater.

Thru hull transducers have distinct advantages, such as providing superior signal quality and avoiding turbulence caused by the boat’s hull. They are also more durable and less susceptible to damage. However, there are a few limitations to consider. Installation can be more complex and may require professional assistance.

Additionally, these transducers are more expensive compared to transom mount options. Despite these limitations, thru hull transducers are highly recommended for serious anglers or boaters who prioritize accurate readings and long-lasting performance.

Factors To Consider In Choosing The Perfect Sonar Solution

Factors to consider when choosing the perfect sonar solution include the water conditions and depth.

Proper Installation Techniques For Transom Mount Transducers

Transom mount and thru-hull transducers are both popular options for installing fishfinders. To ensure proper installation, it is essential to have the necessary tools and equipment on hand. The process can be broken down into simple steps. First, choose the location for the transducer, keeping in mind factors such as water flow and interference.

Then, mark the spot and ensure it is clean and smooth for mounting. Next, attach the transducer bracket and secure it tightly. Once the bracket is in place, connect the transducer to the bracket, making sure it is aligned properly.

Finally, adjust the depth of the transducer to ensure it is submerged consistently. Following these guidelines will help you achieve a successful installation and maximize the performance of your fishfinder system.

Tips For Optimal Performance Of Transom Mount Transducers

Transom mount transducers are a popular choice for many boaters. To ensure optimal performance, proper positioning and mounting are crucial. Firstly, choose a location with minimal turbulence, away from propellers or strakes. Secondly, ensure the transducer sits parallel to the water surface.

Angling it may affect accuracy. Thirdly, use a strong adhesive or screws to secure the transducer firmly to the transom. Avoid gaps or loose fittings that can cause interference or read inaccuracies. Additionally, ensure the transducer is level to prevent any tilt that could affect readings.

Lastly, prevent any air bubbles or obstructions in front of the transducer, as it can interrupt sonar waves and compromise performance. By following these tips and avoiding common mistakes, you’ll achieve the best results from your transom mount transducer.

Proper Installation Techniques For Thru Hull Transducers

Installing a thru hull transducer properly requires the use of necessary tools and equipment. Begin by gathering all the required materials before starting the step-by-step installation process. Through careful planning and preparation, ensure a successful installation. Clean the area where the transducer will be mounted to promote a secure bond.

Follow the manufacturer’s instructions and guidelines while positioning and aligning the transducer. Use epoxy or other recommended adhesive to securely attach the transducer to the hull. Allow sufficient time for the adhesive to cure and bond effectively. Finally, double-check the installation for any potential leaks or loose connections.

By following these installation techniques and taking the necessary precautions, you can ensure optimum performance and accuracy from your thru hull transducer.

Tips For Optimal Performance Of Thru Hull Transducers

Thru hull transducers are a popular choice for optimal performance in fishing and boating. When positioning and mounting these transducers, there are several considerations to keep in mind. First, ensure that the transducer is located in an area of the hull where the water flow is undisturbed.

This will provide accurate readings and reduce interference. Secondly, avoid placing the transducer near any hull obstructions or equipment that may cause turbulence. These can disrupt the sonar signal and affect accuracy. Additionally, it is important to ensure that the transducer is properly aligned and installed at the correct angle.

This will ensure the best performance and prevent any issues with echo or depth readings. Finally, always double-check the seal and make sure it is watertight to prevent any water leaks into the hull. By following these positioning and mounting considerations, you can optimize the performance of your thru hull transducer and enjoy accurate sonar readings while on the water.

Transom Mount Vs Thru Hull Transducer: Unveiling the Perfect Sonar Solution

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Sonar Accuracy Comparison

Transom mount and thru-hull transducers have performance differences that affect sonar accuracy. Factors such as installation method, hull composition, and water conditions play a crucial role in this comparison. Transom mount transducers are typically easier to install and are suitable for fiberglass hulls.

They are best suited for shallow water applications and offer good performance at low to medium speeds. On the other hand, thru-hull transducers provide superior accuracy and performance in deeper water. The transducer is mounted through the hull, allowing for better signal penetration and reduced interference.

However, the installation process can be more complex, requiring professional help. Understanding these differences will help you choose the right transducer for your specific needs and maximize the accuracy of your sonar readings.

Sensitivity And Depth Capabilities

Transom mount and thru hull transducers have different sensitivity and depth capabilities. Sensitivity is a crucial factor in sonar performance. The higher the sensitivity, the more details you can capture and identify underwater. Transom mount transducers generally have less sensitivity compared to thru hull transducers.

This means that they may not be able to detect smaller fish or objects at greater depths. Thru hull transducers, on the other hand, are installed directly through the hull of the boat, providing better sensitivity and depth capabilities. They can penetrate deeper into the water and provide more accurate readings .

So, if you need to accurately detect smaller fish or objects at greater depths, a thru hull transducer would be the better option for you.

Interference And Noise Reduction

Interference and noise reduction are crucial factors to consider when comparing transom mount and thru hull transducers. Potential sources of interference and noise can vary, affecting the performance of these devices. Transom mount transducers are prone to interference from turbulence caused by the boat’s motor or hull, making them less effective in reducing noise.

Thru hull transducers, on the other hand, are installed directly in the hull, minimizing interference from water movement. Additionally, transom mount transducers can be influenced by electrical interference from nearby electronics, while thru hull transducers are shielded from such interferences.

Their design and installation make them more immune to electrical noise. In conclusion, when it comes to interference and noise reduction, thru hull transducers have a clear advantage over transom mount transducers.

Maintenance And Care Tips For Transom Mount And Thru Hull Transducers

Transom mount and thru-hull transducers require regular maintenance and care to ensure optimal performance. Cleaning the transducers is essential to remove any accumulated debris and marine growth that could impact their accuracy. Use a soft brush or cloth to gently scrub the transducer’s surface, being careful not to damage the delicate components.

Inspect the wiring and connectors regularly for any signs of damage or corrosion, and replace them if necessary. Troubleshooting common issues, such as signal interference or false readings, may involve checking the transducer’s installation, adjusting its position, or verifying the settings on your fishfinder or chartplotter.

Regularly inspecting and protecting your transducers will help prolong their lifespan and maintain accurate sonar readings on your fishing trips. Remember to refer to the manufacturer’s instructions for specific care guidelines for your transducer model.

Evaluating Your Sonar System Requirements

Analyzing your fishing or boating activities is crucial to determine your specific sonar needs. To choose between a transom mount and a thru hull transducer, consider factors like the type of vessel you own and your preferred fishing techniques. Assess the depth of water you usually navigate, as transom mount transducers work best in shallow waters, while thru hull transducers are more suitable for deeper waters.

Think about whether you want a permanent installation or a portable option. Remember, transom mount transducers are easier to install and remove, while thru hull transducers require drilling into your boat’s hull. By evaluating these requirements, you can decide whether a transom mount or a thru hull transducer is the right choice for your sonar system.

Considering Your Budget And Preferences

Budget considerations play a significant role when deciding between a transom mount and a thru hull transducer. The cost factor is an important consideration for many buyers. However, personal preferences and requirements in sonar technology are equally crucial. Some people prioritize the ease of installation and affordability of a transom mount transducer.

Others might prefer the superior performance and accuracy of a thru hull transducer, despite its higher price tag. Each option comes with its own set of advantages and disadvantages, and it’s essential to weigh your budget and preferences before making a decision.

By carefully considering these factors, you can choose the transducer that best suits your needs and provides the desired results in your fishing or boating adventures.

Expert Recommendations And Final Verdict

In the discussion between transom mount and thru hull transducers, industry experts provide valuable insights. Experts stress the importance of considering factors such as boat type, water conditions, and fishing preferences. They raise concerns about potential performance limitations of transom mount transducers in high-speed situations.

Thru hull transducers, on the other hand, offer enhanced sonar capabilities, but their installation can be more complex and time-consuming. Furthermore, experts highlight the need for proper placement and ensuring a watertight seal. Ultimately, the decision between the two options depends on personal requirements and priorities.

By carefully weighing the advantages and disadvantages, boat owners can make an informed choice for the perfect sonar solution. So, consult with industry experts and analyze your individual needs before making a final decision.

Frequently Asked Questions On Transom Mount Vs Thru Hull Transducer

What is a transom mount transducer and how does it work.

A transom mount transducer is a device that is installed on the back (transom) of a boat. It uses sonar technology to send and receive signals that create images of the underwater environment. The transducer sends out sound waves and measures the time it takes for them to bounce back, providing information about the depth and structure of the water.

What Are The Advantages Of Using A Transom Mount Transducer?

One advantage of using a transom mount transducer is that it is easy to install and doesn’t require drilling a hole in the hull of the boat. It can be easily adjusted or removed when needed. Additionally, transom mount transducers provide good depth readings, especially at high speeds, and are less affected by air bubbles or water turbulence.

What Is A Thru Hull Transducer And How Is It Different From A Transom Mount Transducer?

A thru hull transducer is installed by drilling a hole in the hull of the boat and mounting it flush with the bottom. This allows for a more accurate and consistent sonar signal as there is less interference from the hull and water flow.

Thru hull transducers are typically used on larger boats and provide better depth readings in rough waters.

What Are The Benefits Of Using A Thru Hull Transducer?

Using a thru hull transducer provides more accurate depth readings, especially in deep or rough waters. They also offer better signal quality and can provide more detailed images of the underwater environment. Thru hull transducers are a popular choice for serious anglers and boaters who require high-performance sonar technology.

Based on the detailed comparison between transom mount and thru-hull transducers, it is evident that both options have their own advantages and considerations. The transom mount transducer is easy to install and does not require drilling holes in the boat, making it a popular choice among boaters.

It is also adjustable and can be easily removed when necessary. On the other hand, the thru-hull transducer provides more accurate readings due to its direct contact with the water and eliminates any interference caused by turbulence or aeration. It requires professional installation and may involve drilling holes in the hull, but the results are worth the effort.

Ultimately, the choice between these two options will depend on your specific needs, priorities, and the type of boat you have. Consider factors such as the depth of water you’ll be navigating, the type of fishing you’ll be doing, and your budget before making a decision.

Mick Brown, a seasoned angler and author of Fishing Mood, is dedicated to sharing his knowledge and love for fishing with outdoor enthusiasts worldwide, providing informative and engaging content to improve skills and discover new destinations.

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Hey, In 2007 I was updating the electronics on my new-to-me O'day 35. I bought a Lowrance plotter with sonar. It came with a transom mount 55/200Hz transducer. I wasn't exactly sure where I wanted to mount it. My first attempt was in the head, right in front of the keel. There is a removable access panel that gave me easy access to the hull. Since I wasn't sure this would be a good place, I used a wax ring for mounting a toilet bowl. I pressed the wax against the hull and then stuck the transducer into the wax. I checked the display and it was fine. Fast forward to now and the transducer is still in the wax and still working fine. Barry

Hey, There a many different transducers out there. The cheap transom mount units usually only measure depth. If you want to measure Speed Through Water (STW) then you need another transducer with a paddlewheel, and that does have to be mounted in the water. I think there might be some speed transducers that don't have a paddlewheel, but I'm not sure how well they work. All GPS units will provide Speed Over Ground (SOG) and that's usually good enough. If you boat in a lake, and don't have to deal with currents, then STW and SOG SHOULD be the same (or real close). So a cheap GPS / Fishfinder should do everything you want. If you want to spend more money and get the best system, there are triducers out there that measure STW, Depth, and Water Temp. That will have to be through hull mounted and they cost about $150. Barry

you do know that some transom mount transducers and most fishfinders can shoot thru hull right? like barry says you can test by putting you transducer inside hull over a bag filled with water and move around till you find a decent steady reading... if your hull is not cored thats all she wrote... I just bought a garmin 150 fishfinder and will be doing this shortly ps. there will be too much turbulent water and or air, stern wave, heel degree, etc... to mount a transom mount transducer on sailboats...wont work that way unless motoring flat. cheers

I have the exact same signet... I only have the transducer which is good and still mounted...but there is no way in hell Im paying close to 400 for a display so I went fish finder route there was another thread where some nice guys posted on how to use an old transducer with a new display...can be done easily depending on what display you can get a hold of... ps for speed you will be better than sound on the transom but on sailboat you always will have turbulence or at the least not the best waterflow for such things...

You can get your speed (over ground anyway) from the GPS.

Im confused by what you are wanting if you want boat speed a paddle on the stern is not going to work well on most sailboats cause of the things mentioned before...turbulence, air popping in and out of water etc... if you dont need or want speed through water there is no reason at all for any sort of transducer as any handheld gps does this for you over GROUND... you can tune your boat speed wise with either method however gps will be more accurate in certain situations... at first I thought you were talking about depth sounders...

While I appreciate everyone's feedback, sometimes this site is frustrating. It's like nobody looks at a link or picture. You can buy fish finders that have a transom mounted "gadget" that does speed, depth and water temp all in one unit. My basic questions was if these worked on sailboats and how would one install the sensor without drilling holes......ie....5200 adhesive... It appears not. I'm gong to pull out the broken old instruments and find a GPS fish finder with depth and be done with it, I don't need exact speed, I don't need water temp, its accuracy can't be any worse than my phone. I'll buy something I can mount to the inside of the hull. Thanks

To answer your question....using 5200 would be silly. Stick the darn thing on a flat spot in silicone (not through the keel of course)...it works fine. Use your GPS function for SOG and call it a day.

I thought I was clear they dont work on sailboats...if you want all sensors... ps there are MANY threads on how to install these in hull baby oil wax silicone epoxied etc use the water bag method and call it a day likewise it seems you didnt have your question correctly thought out since you showed 2 linkes if the displays...

Faria http://faria-instruments.com/index-marine.ph makes a depth meter with both ambient air and water temp displays. They are available with thru mount, inside hull mount and transom mount transducers. Water temp may be innacurate with an inside hull mount, but close enough for approximate readings. If I were me, I'd mount an inside hull transducer in silicone in a solid glass hull only. I am considering buying one this year if I get favorable reviews on a new thread I started regarding Faria instruments. Speed can be measured with an inexpensive hand held GPS. I got one free for test driving a new Cadillac several years ago. -CH

Let us know how it goes azguy. I've got a shoot-thru-hull transducer and so far haven't been able to find a place to get a reading using the bag of water trick, squishing it down in wax, or placing it into my bilge after intentionally filling it with water. My next plan is to find an inconspicuous place to sand off the interior hull texture to see if that does anything. People on the Catalina Direct forums have gotten them to work though, so I know it's possible.

chip- If you put the transducer in the bildge, are you above the keel? Try a spot in front of the keel. -CH

The best and most common spot I see is under the vbirth, the old one currently installed in my boat is located there and from doing all this research it appears to be the "no brainer" place to install it..

Yep. Tried there. Tried under the sink. Tried in the bilge (and no, not directly over the keel). No joy. I hope to try again in a few weeks after sanding some of the texture off. I got a super cheesy knockoff Fein tool that I think will be perfect for the task, assuming it runs for the requisite 10 minutes or so.

transducers are able to read thru fg hullls... transom mounts are great....if you wish to see how deep it was where you rAn aground...... " whatsa behind me is nota importante...." (gumball rally) i had fishfinder trandsuducer that was installed under cockpit of my full keel ketch...lol.... might be good for med mooring, but in reality it was and still is crap. do yourself a favor. get the correct transducer and figure out how to mount inside hull reading thru it. do not use sillycome as it makes bubbles you cannot get accurate depth. oil in a nicely installed tube works well...... other ways to mount work well also.... have at it

I mounted my transducer inside the boat just starboard of the keel (about 2 feet). I used plumbers putty to hold it in place. I get EXCELLENT sonar results even when heeled. And the water temp is accurate too (it just takes a little while to register any changes); since it is essentially bonded to the hull, the temp seems to transmit very well through the solid fiberglass bottom (no coring there). I feel very strongly in minimizing the number of holes in the hull. This avoids one entirely - with excellent results. With my particular boat's shape, a transom mount would NOT work at all: turbulent water and sometimes out of the water. I get speed (SOG) through the GPS module. Yep, I know it's not precisely correct as Speed through the water . . . but it's dang close for my intents. But more importantly it's all relative. So, if I'm trying to tune the rig, I can instantly see if (for example) moving the jib car aft speeds things up . . . or slows it down. I use a Lowrance hds5 for under $500. I LOVE IT. small and compact, built internal GPS antenna, loads my Navionics SD map cards, awesome graphics. its great. Hope it helps. ~markb

bratzcpa said: I mounted my transducer inside the boat just starboard of the keel (about 2 feet). I used plumbers putty to hold it in place. I get EXCELLENT sonar results even when heeled. And the water temp is accurate too (it just takes a little while to register any changes); since it is essentially bonded to the hull, the temp seems to transmit very well through the solid fiberglass bottom (no coring there). I feel very strongly in minimizing the number of holes in the hull. This avoids one entirely - with excellent results. With my particular boat's shape, a transom mount would NOT work at all: turbulent water and sometimes out of the water. I get speed (SOG) through the GPS module. Yep, I know it's not precisely correct as Speed through the water . . . but it's dang close for my intents. But more importantly it's all relative. So, if I'm trying to tune the rig, I can instantly see if (for example) moving the jib car aft speeds things up . . . or slows it down. I use a Lowrance hds5 for under $500. I LOVE IT. small and compact, built internal GPS antenna, loads my Navionics SD map cards, awesome graphics. its great. Hope it helps. ~markb Click to expand...

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Transom clearance question

Discussion in ' Boat Design ' started by k_skit , Sep 17, 2009 .

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Hi! I am trying to design a sailing boat for myself. The basic figures are to be: LOA= 8m LWL= 7,7-7,9m B= 2,54m Loaded Displacement= 2,6t SA= 40-42 sq. m. Disp/LWL ratio about 140 gives a chance for this boat to reach planning (at least theory tells that ). Now I am trying to develop the hull. I am amateur and have no ability to use towing tests or flow simulation. Could somebody tell me how to settle the distance between lowest point of transom and LWL in order to have a longest possible LWL and still avoid separation at the stern wave? Is there any rules on thumb? Hope somebody will help me...

PAR Yacht Designer/Builder

Read this: You can purchase it here, plus there are several other titles that will be of great help. http://books.boatdesign.net/boat/books.cgi?Operation=ItemLookup&ItemId=0071487697&locale=us

Dear PAR, I am fully agree that any novice should read this book first. I have studied two editions of it (edition 2 and 3). But I have not found the answer to my question. Still thank you for the attention.

Displacement? Plane? Target S/L? you question is a bit ambiguous.

To PAR: The total displacement is 2,6 ton (fully loaded); The target Speed/Length ratio is 1,4

Eric Sponberg Senior Member

k_skit said: ↑ Could somebody tell me how to settle the distance between lowest point of transom and LWL in order to have a longest possible LWL and still avoid separation at the stern wave? Is there any rules on thumb? Hope somebody will help me... Click to expand...

Maybe it would be more helpful if we had more information about the design k-skit. Other then some very general observations, such as you're not really up on plane at 1.4 S/L or desirable buttock angles, I'm still at a lose as to what you're interested in. Some images of your design may shed some light on her potential.

Dear Mr. Sponberg Dear PAR, Sorry for the late answer - I was on the business trip and have had no time to think it over. Actually I have modeled approx 30 different hulls while I was reading Larsson/Eliasson book. But the actual hull is not designed yet. I will do as Mr. Sponberg told in his post. After all this is to be an amateur boat intended for cruising, not for races. Thank you and best regartds,

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Re: Transom Mount transducer

Re: Transom Mount transducer At what speed do you expect the transducer to stop working due to planing so far out of the water ? How fast can you go ?

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Re: Transom Mount transducer Do not use wood use starboard or aluminom. Go to http://www.cabelas.com in the top left in the keyword search type. "transom mounting plate" Then click on the iteam for a detail view. They have the same products here also but the search is not as easy. Mount the board with two screws or bolts and seal with 3M 5200. I would not be afraid to mount with only one screw and glue it to the transom with silicone unless you are putting lots of transducer on it. Make sure your transducer is below the hull and point stright down when on the water, not foward, right , left or to the rear. On a V hull one side will be farther below the hull than the other. The side clostest to bottom of the hull should have half of the transducer below the hull. Do not line it up with any skeg or row if rivets. Make sure you do not mount the transducer where it will hit the trailer loading or unloading. It should be 12 inches on more either side of the engine and starboard is perfered with standard prop. Do not mount near the chims or it will not work good at high speed.

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Re: Transom Mount transducer I had a lot of problems with the cheesy mounting bracket made of two plastic parts with a bolt that was supposed to hold them together. It was always moving and/or catching weeds and then it finally broke. I junked the plastic and made an L shaped aluminum mounting bracket which I epoxied the transucer to, no transom mounting plate used. Its been great ever since. Reads at high speeds, very few weeds.

Re: Transom Mount transducer I do not use the depthfinder when i am running. I just use it for fishing purposes. My boat will run @ 45 MPH. Thanks for all of the help so far.

Re: Transom Mount transducer If your hull is fibreglass you can probably mount it inside and not butcher up the stern. Call the manufacturer and ask for technical assistance. Ask them if you can go inside and if you can use Silicone Rubber to mount the transducer. Air bubbles cause loss of distance. Inside the boat is best, no drilled holes.------------------------------------If you go inside, I can help you some more

Re: Transom Mount transducer I would call the company, but they are out of busness. Ihat is what I have been told. The boat is a 1982 Venture bass boat. I would like to mount inside, but i am not sure if I can because i can not get in touch with the company.

Re: Transom Mount transducer Quick and easy to tell if you can shoot thru hull is to clean a spot in the bildge put your transducer there and tape it down to the hull. Now build a little damm out of kids clay around the transducer. Fill with clean water and go for a test. If it works to your satification then should glue down with some slow cure epoxi. When mix epoxi try not to get any air or bubbles mixed in. Slow cure should allow bubbles to excape.

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Tackling moscow by train and boat.

Our first full day in Moscow started fairly late since we were still catching up on sleep. Around 1, we finally were able to get our act together and get out the door.

We stopped by a cafe to get some breakfast and headed over to the Red Square. Since the festival is going on, we had to go through metal detectors. Once we cleared security, we reached the State Historical Museum which provided an entrance to the Red Square.

We walked the length of the Red Square, passing by the Kazan cathedral.

Under normal conditions, the Red Square is a large walking area with the State Historical Museum on one end and St. Basil's on the other end. On the sides is the Kremlin wall on one side and then the GUM shopping mall and the Kazan cathedral on the other side. Presently, the walking area has been considerably narrowed and the fesitval grounds occupying a large space between the Kremlin and the mall.

We even asked a stranger to take our picture!

After walking around the Red Square, we had to leave to meet up with our Metro Tour.

Moscow has famously pretty metro stations so metro tours are quite popular. We booked a relatively inexpensive tour through a tour group which met outside of the Red Square.

On our way, we passed by the Kremlin gardens and the tomb to the unknown soldier and the eternal flame.

We soon met up with our group which, fortunately, was only 5 people. Our guide told us that we were going to visit 8 stations during the 1.5 hour tour.

Honestly, a lot of the stations blended in to me so I won't be able to give you a detailed description of all of them. However, I did learn that there are 222 metro stations and the trains come every 2-3 minutes reliably. For that reason, Moscow > DC.

One of the first metro stations we visited had bronze statues all over of various depictions. Many of the statues had superstitions tied to them. For example, for a statue of the dog, it's held that if you rub the nose of the dog, you'll have good luck. Consequently, most of the statue is tarnished - except for the nose. I joked to Tomas that they probably rotate the "good luck" portion of the statue to ensure the entire statue gets polished.

However, I do remember some of the stations.

Novoslobodskaya is a station adorned with stained glass on the walls.

There was also Belarusskaya, which paid tribute to Belarus.

Another station which name I cannot remember but had pretty mosaics in the ceilings.

My favorite station was Komsomolskaya. It's the busiest station and a hub for other connecting trains. It was built during Statlin times and he wanted the station to embody beauty to set a good first impression to Russia.

I'd seen pictures of it beforehand since it's the most famous but it's so much more impressive in person.

Look at these ceilings!

Overall it was a very interesting tour. Not sure of any other city which could offer a metro tour. DC certainly can't...

After the tour, we headed back of the hotel to rest for a bit. We had purchased tickets to a tour hour boat down the Moscow river. The tickets were good for any time on any day and the boats left every 20min. We decided to knock the tour out that day and headed over to the pier.

We arrived at the pier and saw a boat by the company we had purchased from boarding. We approached and they shook their head and said it wasn't the right boat.

So we waited for another boat.

Another boat came along by the same company we had purchased from so weapproached them. Again - we were told it wasn't the right boat and the boat we were looking for was coming.

A third boat came along which was NOT by the company we had purchased from. By this point, it had been longer than 20min waiting and I was starting to suspect that the correct boat was actually one of the ones which turned us away. We approached the 3rd boat to ask if they knew which boat we should be on. However, when we approached, they waved us aboard without scanning our tickets.

So, we boarded the 3rd boat....which was definitely not ours.

We settled into an upper deck, open air table to take in the views.

We passed by pretty buildings.

The somewhat impressive cathedral of Christ the Savior.

This random statue.

After about hour on the cruise, Tomas remarked that it had been about an hour so we should be turning around soon. I reminded him that we actually had no idea how long this cruise was or where we would be dropped off. Since we were on the wrong boat.

Fortunately, it did turn around and took us back to the pier.

For dinner, we decided to go to this burger place, Black Star Burger, which our guide told us about. Tomas really liked his - I thought mine was OK. It was a decent size patty with a mountain of Cole slaw on top. We've realized that apparently Russians dislike getting their hands dirty while eating so some restaurants will give out gloves to use. This particular restaurant gave out black gloves.

Tomas modeling our dinner.

Since little mum has been asking about pictures which show my feet, I assume she wanted to see my new shoes. I recently bought Allbirds which are suppose to be super comfortable walking shoes which you wear without socks and can be washed. I didn't wear them too extensively beforehand, so that was probably my first error. I also didn't bring another pair of good walking shoes, which was likely my second error. The Allbirds were great the first two days without socks. Midway through the third day, my right foot was quite unhappy. Left foot was a trooper. So, now I have a bandaid on the heel of my right foot and wear socks.

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