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FAT CAT Boat for Sale

50' endeavour catamaran | 2018 | $1,198,000.

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Last updated Mar 21, 2024

Fat Cat Boat | 50' Endeavour Catamaran 2018

This custom built Endeavour 500 was laid up in Q4 of 2017 with only one owner who took delivery in Q1 of 2018.  She has been loving cared for inside and outside during stint in the Bahamas and now located in Key West, Florida.  Key West Bight Marina dock slip may be an option should you choose to enjoy this lively location in the heart of the marina district of old town.  Easy to show with 24 hour notice.

Denison Yachting is pleased to assist you in the purchase of this vessel. This boat is centrally listed by Yachts Unlimited.

Denison Yacht Sales offers the details of this yacht in good faith but can’t guarantee the accuracy of this information nor warrant the condition of this boat for sale. This yacht for sale is offered subject to prior sale, price change, or withdrawal from that yacht market without notice. She is offered as a convenience by this yacht broker to its clients and is not intended to convey direct representation of a specific yacht for sale.

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Fat Cat HIGHLIGHTS

• Yacht Details: 50' Endeavour Catamaran 2018
• Location: Key West, FL
• Engines: SUZUKI
• Last Updated: Mar 21, 2024
• Asking Price: $1,198,000
• Maximum Speed: 22 kn
• Max Draft: 3' 0''

Fat Cat additional information

• Cruising Speed: 18 kn
• Beam: 18' 0''
• Hull Material: Fiberglass
• Fuel Tank: 1 x 1100|gallon

Large salon and galley open floor plan with additional seating and gathering space in the air-conditioned fly bridge and helm station.

Well laid-out galley includes a kitchen island with a double stainless steel sink and bar stool seating. Electric stove/oven/microwave, drawer dishwasher, ice maker, wine cooler, and plenty of counter space for prep work. Two Isotherm refrigerator/freezer units allow cold storage for extended cruises. Multiple storage lockers on both port and starboard sides of the salon.

Access to the upper flybridge deck through the forward door and access to the dingy/jet ski davit lift through the aft doors.

Raymarine chart plotter, auto pilot, radar, VHF, and more. Fusion sound system

The Phaser Marine 12KW generator provides ample power along with the battery bank and 4 solar panels.

Four (4) Suzuki 250 HP outboard motors provide plenty of power and ease of maintenance. Bow thrusters Dometic aircon units X3

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Excess 11 review: A very rare sub-40ft cruising catamaran

• Theo Stocker
• September 10, 2024

A cruising cat much under 40ft is a rare beast, especially one that’s meant to be fun to sail. Theo Stocker went to see if the Excess 11 really delivers.

Product Overview

Price as reviewed:.

Catamarans don’t belong in the UK, I hear you cry. If you’ve been put off by towering topsides, the vast beam and ideas about how much it might cost to keep one in a marina, or their supposed lack of upwind performance, then stay with me. The Excess 11 is a boat that has certainly made me think again.

High-volume production catamarans certainly make fantastic boats for chartering with your family in hot climates and introducing nervous crew to life afloat, but I was eager to find out if a new brand of catamaran could also make a genuinely practical and enjoyable cruising boat for private owners to sail in the UK’s more temperate waters.

If you’re looking for a cruising catamaran you have, until fairly recently, faced a choice between a high-volume, stubby-keeled cruising catamaran, or a dagger-boarded speed machine. Alongside Nautitech , however, Excess has jumped into a niche for high- volume but modest displacement cruising cats that seek to offer the best of both worlds.

Theo found the Excess 11 is resilient with an impressive finish. Photo: Paul Wyeth

The Excess brand emerged from the Beneteau Group just six years ago to fill this perceived void. Employing top racing catamaran and foiling IMOCA designers VPLP means this boat has at least a modicum of performance in her DNA. Could this be a catamaran that’s comfy to live on, reassuringly solid at sea, and still genuinely engaging to sail?

At first glance, the Excess 11 has much in common with other modern cruising cats – high topsides, a generously glazed deck saloon, staggering amounts of space in the hulls, and shallow, long chord keels. But it was her differences that piqued my interest. To start with she’s just 37ft in length – a good 3ft shorter than any of her competitors, and only the Broadblue 345 is smaller than this.

Rather than a single, raised helm station, she has twin helms on the main deck level, aft and outboard of the superstructure. To bring the helm to life, steering uses Dyneema cables rather than hydraulics, and with the wheels where they are, this is a surprisingly short cable run to minimise play and maximise feeling.

Sheeting angles are controlled by in-and-out haulers for the overlapping genoa. Photo: Paul Wyeth

Winches are at deck level, too, so there’s more for crew to do if they want to get involved, and she comes at a surprisingly competitive price when you compare her to monohulls – the Excess 11 may cost more than boats of a similar length, but for the same space aboard you’d need to be looking at a boat at least five or 10ft longer.

So it was that I found myself motoring down the Hamble river at the bright orange wheel of an Excess 11. With both wheels set right aft and outboard you have a pretty unobstructed view directly forwards and outboard. Look through the glazing, and you then get a surprisingly clear view through the arcs obstructed by the saloon.

Step inboard slightly, still within reach of the wheel, and you can see round the support posts and straight out of the front of the boat. It takes a little getting used to as the tops of the windows were slightly below eye level (I’m 6ft 1in tall), but it’s similar to helming a deck-saloon monohull or even just ducking to leeward to look round a headsail.

The boom is low enough to make stowing the sail easy from atop the coach roof. Photo: Paul Wyeth

Command and control with the Excess 11

As we motored along, I was reassured that I could control the boat from either side, thanks to the electronic throttles controlling the twin 29hp Yanmar inboards; this means command can be taken from either wheel.

While cats are directionally stable, you might notice that, as with many other cats, there’s no prop wash over the rudders. That’s because her rudders are ahead of the propellers – an arrangement that allows the engines to be pushed right aft, saving space for the aft cabins. Not an issue in a cat as you can drive it on the throttles like a tank – not that I’ve ever driven one of those, but I imagine it’s similar.

We didn’t get the sunniest of days – the clouds stubbornly obscured the sun all day and the temperature was remarkably low for mid summer – but at least we had a decent breeze. As you’d expect from a multihull, the main is large and powerful to help propel drive the extra hull, but a two-to-one halyard taken to the powered winch ahead of the starboard helm help us set sail.

The dramatic hull flares are obvious seen from the bows. Photo: Paul Wyeth

On our test Excess 11, Sea Ventures’ stock boat, all lines other than a couple of halyards were led aft to clutches and a winch ahead of the starboard wheel, including both sheets for the overlapping jib. Most owners opt for the self-tacking jib, which simplifies things further.

With all lines taken to one side there’s a lot of rope in one place, which needs keeping tidy, though I can see that splitting controls to both sides would make some of them frustratingly hard to reach for the helm.

Underway, we faced a beat out of Southampton Water and around Bramble Bank into open water. Before I had a chance to remember that multihulls aren’t meant to tack well, I’d put her into a tack just as I would a monohull; she popped through easily and was off again almost instantly.

When it comes to a cruiser that the whole family can enjoy, a catamaran is a sensible option. Photo: Paul Wyeth

A slight bear away helped rebuild any lost momentum and we were back pointing up to 40º-43º off the apparent wind, giving us a compass tacking angle of 115º-120º – not bad for a cruising cat. When you take into account that we were doing over 7 knots upwind, upwind in a Force 4, in a 37-footer, on a completely even keel, that’s actually pretty impressive and probably almost a knot faster than you’d get from the same size monohull. Clearly, in a big seaway, the extra hull and potential slamming from the nacelle might see this drop off, but the Solent chop wasn’t anywhere near big enough to test this.

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Enjoyable helming

Steering from the windward helm, I loved being outboard and able to see forwards and to feel the wind in my face. The helm was light and responsive, and while you don’t get the feedback of the boat heeling and loading up, it was sensitive enough for me to feel the fore-and-aft balance of the sailplan – not something you’d get in your average heavy cruising cat. Seeing the genoa telltales wasn’t the easiest, so helming from leeward helped with this.

The starboard wheel was home to most of the controls, but throttles can be used on either side. Photo: Paul Wyeth

In terms of visibility, it was, if anything, better than when sailing to windward in a monohull, as the sail is above the line of sight from the hull, and the saloon windows remain conducive to looking through.

Bearing away and in a freshening breeze, we accelerated slightly to 7.5 knots on a close reach, but the real speed came from setting the 54m2 Code Zero, which was set and furled on the foldable bowsprit (this hinges away to reduce length when in harbour). We comfortably maintained speeds over 8 knots, with the occasional foray into the high nines and a max speed of 10.1 knots with the wake fizzing off the transoms as the wind gusted to the top end of the recommended windspeed for the Code Zero. The huge asymmetric is an option for lighter airs and deeper angles.

A modest galley and chart table are plenty for cruising as a couple or with a couple of friends. Photo: Paul Wyeth

The sailplan crossover table for recommended wind ranges for each sail option by the helms was a useful addition; without heel angle you need to sail a cat more by numbers. Experienced owners might be willing to bend the rules, but even so, this looks and feels like a boat that can stand up to her canvas well. She’s not going to be planing, but surfs in double digits are well within her reach.

Handling the Code Zero was straight-forward – the headsail halyards are the only lines taken to port, plus the furling line for the Zero, and sheets are led to the winches either side, so you do need a couple of people to release and sheet in after a gybe. Furling the sail is probably the easier way to gybe in reality, though handling the winches is easy enough from the helm. If you did want two winches, you’d have to move up to the larger Excess 14.

Good cruising speeds can be reached with minimum fuss. Photo: Paul Wyeth

The big plus of having the wheels and lines all on deck level with the cockpit is that it is easy for crew to lend a hand, helping them feel involved and making communication easier. It would also feel more secure in a seaway, while the proximity to the water makes the sailing experience more engaging.

Seats fold down behind the helm across the transom access giving two people somewhere comfy to sit and improving the sense of security at the wheel, also helped by the high bulwark outboard. Steps inboard of the wheels take you up onto the wide side decks.

On deck, much of the foredeck is trampoline to keep weight and potential sources of slamming well aft. The anchor mounts to a bow roller next to the forestay with the chain led aft to the vast nacelle lockers ahead of the saloon windows via a moulded channel, which keeps the chain flush underfoot. Most owners will opt for the second 300-litre water tank in this locker, as there’s easily space for it and crew will be happier with less strict water rationing.

The saloon nav station adds practical work space, though too small to hold a chart. Photo: Paul Wyeth

All accommodation hatches are flush in the deck, and in each bow is a cavernous fo’c’sle locker for extra kit and sails. There’s an option for these lockers to be made into extra berths if you want capacity for 12 on board.

The Excess 11’s sociable cockpit

Living arrangements on board the Excess 11 are very practical, especially for a crew of six in the three-cabin layout most owners opt for. We found crew congregate at the back of the cockpit, where there are six seats across the stern, as well as the bench seat to port and an L-shaped seat around the cockpit table, giving plenty of space to relax.

A hard-top canopy keeps weather and sun at bay over the well-sheltered cockpit. Photo: Paul Wyeth

The low boom means packing the sail can be done at waist height from the canopy without any additional climbing, so many owners opt for the hard-top cockpit canopy so that it can be walked on, as well as a place to mount solar panels. A folding canvas ‘targa’ top is also an option, however, if you want to let more light in.

Walk forwards through the sliding doors and you find yourself in a large open space around the saloon table, surrounded by an L-shaped settee against the forward bulkhead, with a couple of stools for extra seating. At the starboard end there is a nav station, though in reality navigation will be done on deck.

Against the aft and outboard sides to starboard is the L-shaped galley, with a fixed oven and two-burner gas hob, front-opening fridge, and a few lockers. To port of the entrance are another set of large lockers, ideal for stowing lifejackets and other sailing kit, or more food, and there’s also stowage under the saloon seats. It isn’t the world’s largest galley, but I had to keep on reminding myself this boat is just 37ft. It’s more than enough for a cruise of a week or two, or longer for a couple.

Space and light make the saloon a pleasant place to be in harbour and underway. Photo: Paul Wyeth

It’s down in the hulls that you really see the merit of the hulls’ volume. A marked flare above the waterline maximises space without adding drag, and the resulting chines keep spray down. Clever contours in the topsides also reduce the visual impact of big slab sides, while adding strength and volume.

To port, there are double cabins fore and aft, both with more-or-less square berths and a good-sized heads with separate shower compartment between them. Each enjoys a large hull window with opening port and a deckhead opening hatch, plus a couple of lockers and under-bed stowage spaces.

The starboard hull is the real selling point, however. How many 37-footers can offer almost the whole length for a single cabin? The owner’s ‘suite’ can be shut off from the rest of the boat with a sliding door across the stairs. There’s a locker and desk/dressing table at the bottom of the three steps, and a huge double berth aft, while the forward end is occupied by a big bathroom – nothing like the cramped heads you and I know – with a separate shower compartment, and more lockers.

Palatial space for the owner’s cabin, thanks to having a whole hull to yourselves. Photo: Paul Wyeth

The Excess 11 is built for resilience

In terms of maintenance, there’s very little you’ll need access to, other than the heads seacocks in the main hulls. Most of the systems are congregated in the large engine bays just aft of the wheels, accessed via deck panels that helpfully hinge aft, so you can access them without having to perch on the bathing platform.

On the whole, access is good, though the engines are mounted the ‘right way’ round with the sail drives aft, but this means that the alternator, impeller and water strainer are all tucked right forwards with no way of tackling them head on. The yard explained that if the engines were mounted the other way round, with the saildrives closer to the rudders, it would have made both rudder and propeller less efficient, though they acknowledged that it was something of a trade-off.

Aft-hinged engine bay hatches allow good access to the aft end of the engine and most systems from on board. Photo: Paul Wyeth

The other possible issue was that the Dyneema steering cables I so liked at the helm run immediately above the engine. While HMPE rope has a melting point of 150ºC, its maximum operating temperature, according to Southern Ropes, is 70ºC, where some engines will run at over 80ºC in normal operation.

In the event of an engine fire, you could well lose the steering cable, though the opposite wheel should continue to give you steerage with both rudders via the tie bar, or failing that, the emergency tiller. Other than this, I was impressed with the finish of the boat, which seemed to be of a good standard and with no obvious rough edges.

Structurally, the Excess 11 has been designed to be pretty bombproof. A cat doesn’t need ballast, so all of the weight can go into structural integrity. The keels are designed with extra GRP reinforced ‘shoes’ and for vertical load bearing so the boat can sit comfortably on the keels. These are moulded as part of the hull, filled with foam and capped with laminate, before the whole structure is vacuum-infused with resin.

Most owners will opt for the larger Pulse Line sailplan and the simpler self-tacking jib. Photo: Paul Wyeth

There are no keel bolts to worry about, but they are designed so that if the keels suffered a large side impact, the keel would fail without damage to the watertight integrity of the hull, acting as a fuse, allowing the boat to sail on and seek repair, which seems eminently sensible to me.

Guests aren’t short-changed either, with huge berths and views out of the hull windows. Photo: Paul Wyeth

Excess 11 specifications:

LOA: 11.42m / 37ft 6in Hull length: 11.33m / 27ft 2in Beam: 6.59m / 21ft 7in Draught: 1.15m / 21ft 7in Displacement: 9,000kg /19, 845 lb Sail area: 77m2 / 829 sq ft (Pulse line 82m2 / 882 sq ft) Disp/length: 173 SA/D Ratio: 18 Engine: 2 x 29hp Yanmar Transmission: Saildrive Water: 300L / 79gal (+300L optional) Fuel: 400L / 103gal Berths: 6-12 RCD Category: A8 Designer: VPLP Builder: Beneteau UK Agent: sea-ventures.co.uk

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I may sail monohull predominantly, but I’ve chartered a few cats and sailed some small multihulls, so I stepped aboard the Excess 11 with an open mind, and found myself quickly warming to the boat. It took much less than you might think for this boat to come alive as a sailing boat, delivering a genuinely engaging and enjoyable experience on the helm, whilst giving your crew a thoroughly civilised time on board too. The layout of the helms, deck and accommodation were all well thought through and user-friendly for a short-handed crew, and I was sold by the one-level sailing and living approach. For what I’d see as a ‘low-maintenance’ boat to sail, the Excess offers performance and fun for eating up miles with ease, at the same time as being staggeringly spacious and comfortable for her length.

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Anyone heard of these guys? They're located in Brownsville, TX. I saw one in person and it was very nice. I thought it was a Shallow Sport at first. The bow of the hull looks very similar to shallow sport, but it is a cat hull. The lids and layout of the deck remind me of mid 90's Shallow Sports. I've heard they're pretty good boats. I'm off this Friday and will stop by and check them out for more info. Here are some pics, http://www.fishingtowers.com/photos/  

He builds a great boat. I saw one under construction a while back and it was being built the right way.It has some hook nuilt in at the rear for uplift. A friend told me that they were going to be built with no wood soon. I saw one of his larger rigs get up on spit the other day. Truly amazing.  

Do you know their phone number? I keep trying their number list on the site and all I get is an answering machine and the other number is disconnected. I don't think it's the right number. I can't seem to find them in the phone book either.  

Why not just get a real Shallowsport?  

Well... please don't shoot me but I don't think Shallow Sport quality is what it used to be. I have a couple of friends who have had problems with the newer one piece composite deck or cap. Spider cracks, large cracks from front to back, rusty screws left in from assembly (someone forgot to remove them before the gel coat was applied), showing up as brown spots on the deck after a year or two. I have a friend who builds boat towers and does not think very highly of the Nida Core used in SS when it comes to mounting the towers. Wood blocks need to be used to drill into or some customers choose to drill them straight into the stringers. Don't get me wrong... I would jump at the chance to buy a used 21' 90's SS hull with the marine plywood... solid boats! My buddy has been guiding out of his for almost 10 years and it is solid and still looks great. Have you ever seen a sample of the honeycomb Nida Core? It's strong and I can see it used in many different applications but it is really scary to think it would be used in boat hull applications. If used incorrectly it could result in excess weight; such as excess resin soaking through into the honey-comb, or the possibility of cracking and holding water. Have you seen the number of boats Shallow Sport is cranking out today? It's amazing because I remember there was a waiting list and now I can go buy one anytime I want. The dealer usually stocks them, but the boat and trailer alone for a 21' with sides is $18,500 plus TTL! More than I'm willing to pay. Also, the cosmetics of the boat look top notch because the deck is coming out of a mold… but if you start going through compartments and looking inside… you'll find some crappy fiberglass work compared to the older ones. Not premium work for the premium price tag. Time will tell if the new Shallow Sports will hold up to the abuse the older hulls have proven they can take, I just don't think I'm ready to take that chance on a new one, unless I win the Texas lottery. The best looking boat in my book… and one of the best performing shallow water boats too! Sorry for the long post… please don't hang me! One last thing… In the case of the problems I mentioned above… Shallow Sport did take care of them!  

Good Points. I haven't had a up close and personal look at the new shallow sport yet. I hope they are not sacrificing quality for quanity. I think more than anything they wanted to jump on the bandwagon of No Wood No Rot. It seems to be a strong advertisement for many of the new boat builders. But as we all know wood has been used forever and lasts a long time. A testament to how many older shallowsports you see running around and still bringing big money on the used boat market.  

Don't know the number. Ditto your thoughts on SS. I have fished out oF three diff ones and I cannot say that I was Impressed.  

oh...come on now What's with all the Shallow Sport bashing? I won't say anything bad about Fat Cat out of respect to Javier, the owner's brother. But yes, it is yet another cheap copy splashed directly from a Shallow Sport. Add it to the list. As far as the screws in the new Nida-Core decks goes....I think you've got your info mixed up. The only boats that had the occasional screw work its way up were the wooden decks, primarily the 18' Sprint wooden decks from 2000-2002. There have been a total of 3 out of about 1500 that this has happened to, and it was most likely the result of one employee using the wrong process. Those who have brought their boats to us have been fixed (easily). That is another thing I'm sure of. If the boat was brought directly to the factory, it would be fixed. We are very good about doing repair/warranty work, even to boats that are out of warranty. So, just tell your friend to bring his boat by and we'll gladly take care of him. Also, there is no Nida-Core in the hull, as you mentioned. The hull is 100% hand-laid fiberglass and carbon fiber board. There is a Nida Core deck on top of a Coosa (carbon fiber board) platform which sits on top of glassed in foam filled stringers. It's kinda hard to accept a blanket statement like "the quality of shallow sport has gone down in the past couple of years" especially since I've seen every boat that has left this factory for the past four years, and honestly feel the complete opposite is true. I would, however, like to privately discuss any specific issues anyone might be experiencing and address them. If there is anything I can do to make someone happier with their Shallow Sport, please PM me and we'll work something out.  

Don't sweat it Shallowgal...Just too many people drinking the new Shallow Sport flavored "Hater-ade". It's the one in the bright "jealousy green" bottle.  

fishnlab said: Don't sweat it Shallowgal...Just too many people drinking the new Shallow Sport flavored "Hater-ade". It's the one in the bright "jealousy green" bottle. Click to expand...

Okay, I've chilled out Awww, there's my homies! I was wondering why no one had our backs for a while there! Made me a bit grouchy for a bit (just ask the hubby).  

Sorry... I don't hate Shallow Sports.. Love them! I just don't think the new ones are built as well as the old and it's too hard for me to justify the price difference. And yes, technically there is no nida core used on the hull itself. I should have been more clear.. it's the deck that uses nida core. Also, I did say you guys took care of the issues. I would buy one if the price was right. I can buy a new Majek 21 RFL boat and trailer for $5000 less. This is only my opinion, and I'm sure it won't change anyone's mind. Shallow Sport is still considered the Cadillac of bay boats in the Lower Laguna Madre. Shallow gal, how do you come up with the weights on your boats. Are materiels weighed and then totaled, or do you actually weigh the finished boat with console? For instance, the 20 foot no sides with claimed weight of 850 lbs would seem too light once you stick a 500lb motor on the back. Reason I ask is because in converstion I had with a dealer and their Shoalwater 21 Cat, the claimed weight was about 400lbs more when the dealer actually weighed it boat with console.  

I have a '97 SS, 21', with sides and it is one tough dude. Awesome boats!  

We have a grain siloh with a drive-on scale about a mile from the shop. First we take the empty trailer and weight the truck/trailer combo. Then we put the boat on the trailer and go back. Subtract the former from the latter and there you have it. This weight is for stock boats without accessories like towers, and without motor. No hard feelings, you're entitled to your opinion. It just sucks when you spend every waking moment (and often sleeping dreaming moments too) working on improving something, and people still rag on it. Can't please everyone all the time, huh?  

shallowgal said: Can't please everyone all the time, huh? Click to expand...

I agree. SSs are the sharpest looking shallow water boats out there. They are pricey, though. Heck, I looked (only looked) at one with a TRP, raised console, and towers.......priced at over 40 Grand. That is just too much! But, as long as they are selling, the price will stay up there. boats are like everything else, you have to wonder what the cost to make is, versus the sales price.........hmmmmmm  

See this post: http://2coolfishing.com/ttmbforum/showthread.php?t=74079 This was discussed about 2 weeks ago on the "Boating" board. I don't know the guy and have never seen one in person, but don't like they looks of the build process. That plywood looks cheap. I would believe that the 21' SS is what they say it weighs. It all depends on what you put in it. Take care, Tim  

Fat Cat You can contact the owner (Manny) at 956 546 2701, He's in Brownsville seems to be a nice fellow. I have had dealings with over half a dozen boatbuilder in Texas, and they have all had something bad to say about other builders. But few will get into the mudslinging on the internet.  

shallowgal said: There is a Nida Core deck on top of a Coosa (carbon fiber board) platform which sits on top of glassed in foam filled stringers. Click to expand...

Thanks west bay... spoke to Manny and he will stop by my friends ICW cabin on Saturday. We'll be there hanging out and he is gonna take us for a demo ride. It should be a good comparison... since my buddy will have his 21' SS to compare. FYI... he is no longer using wood in his boats and says the standard boat weighs around 1000 lbs.  

If he's not using wood, he should get those pics off his website. It will make a lot of naysayers and he'll be answering the same questions over and over again.  

........Shallow Sport.............he just wishes he owned one, That's what that's all about. Y'all refurbished ours and did a fine job. These truly are well-built machines.  

There is a place on hwy 48 called Shallow Water Marine that sells his boat. You can save about 8 grand avoiding Ron Hoover. I talked to him about 2 years ago and he was building them in his back yard. How times change.  

rofl LAB! Good point! Anyone gonna be at the mansfield tournament next week? I will, 512-560-7660, heff's might be calling our names...  

I stopped by their shop today and checked out their boats. The new boats are all composite (well almost all composite; I'll get into that later, but it's a good thing) and the deck no longer looks like a Shallow Sport. The only resemblance to a Shallow Sport is the center bow of the hull; originally it did not have it and its only function now is to eliminate the hull slap common with cat hulls. The rest of the hull design shares nothing in common with a Shallow Sport. The front and rear deck come out of a mold with a non skid surface and with no webbing, of course; the rest of the floor and inside gunwales are gel coated with webbing. However, they are designing a new mold to make the entire deck non skid. The lids are different too and look real solid with heavy duty perko latches that seal real tight. The quality of the boat looks top notch. The transom of the hull is reinforced with Penske board. One cool thing they've thought of before going all composite is glassing in wood blocks underneath the front and rear decks in all their boats where you can drill towers into if you ever decide to add on later; a number one complaint with many composite boats when it comes to towers. Shallow Sport, are you listening? Perhaps you guys can do something similar on your decks and use Penske board or something to drill into. Their 21' standard cat boats weigh in at 1000 lbs with console. I noticed the boat looked really big… I found out the beam of the boat is 8' 4"… Nice!! You can order a boat with a TechSun Aluminum or Coastline aluminum trailer. The tech sun trailer looks a like a better bargain because they use those real thick 1 piece 3 or 4 inch bunks… twice the size of the Coastline. The frames look very similar and real heavy duty. Overall... I walked away extremely impressed and I don't think this boat is cheap imitation or copy of a Shallow Sport as Shallow Gal stated… they definitely have their own thing going on now. As I said, the only similarity to SS is the center of bow hull which does nothing for shallow water performance; only hull slap, that's it. Manny might not have a chance to give the demo ride tomorrow after all. He's not sure he has time but will try. I'm very anxious to ride in one of these now more than ever. Their towers look top notch too!! I wish I had my camera!  

Originally Posted by RAR I wanted to apologize about my comments on SS quality in the Fat Cat topic. While I do think it's somewhat true based on some of the boats I've seen and when I looked at them a few years ago, I recently checked out 3 of them at ********* and was really impressed with 2 of them. The V I looked at had some questionable fiberglass work in the compartments but the rest looked pretty solid. The 21 and 15 scooter really were impressive; especially the 15'… what an impressive little boat. I could not fault them, other than perhaps the drilling towers onto a nida core deck. I still think they are priced high but if people are willing to pay that then so be it; I guess Rex has earned it! I also saw the samples of the glassed nida core deck and it looked really good and looks like it will last a very long time… Nida core itself is looks weak but after seeing how SS utilizes it; I see how they make it work. I will make sure I post my comments on that thread and give credit where credit is due. Great job! I stand corrected. Click to expand...

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