2. Open the trim around your bulkheads. A video showing how to do this is here:
3. report what you see here:
We will submit this information to en masse. We want to use this data to help Lagoon help all of us.
Thank you for your time.
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26-04-2021, 06:19
Boat: currently boatless
26-04-2021, 07:49
Boat: L450 fmr Lavezzi
26-04-2021, 12:13
Boat: SAnta Cruz 27
had? How many years, how many oceans crossed?
26-04-2021, 12:17
Boat: L450 fmr Lavezzi
had? How many years, how many oceans crossed?
26-04-2021, 14:46
Boat: SAnta Cruz 27
bulkhead on the L450 was underbuilt. It is a defect that is hidden under the trim and will not cause damage in the marina. However with 100s of out sailing oceans it is starting to show up too often to ignore.
It is repairable and the repaired boat will be better than new, but the involves removing a lot of cabinetry and $$. It would be easier and cheaper to solve on the production line, but that means the manufacturer would have to admit to the problem and retrofit all unsold inventory.
The OP is trying to start an organized program to address the issue, but is meeting resistance from the manufacturer and the owners who have taken the in the sand approach. I don't see the manufacturer as the solution--like defective airbags in cars--the manufacturer doesn't have the resources to fix the problem on their own.
27-04-2021, 04:04
Boat: 2013 FP Lipari 41
2020, the told us all flex, which is why some things looked off kilter (door wouldn't close easily, shelves/wall joins not meeting...). It wasn't till I started reading online that I realized there are (or had been) issues - we saw what looked like smeared in places that didn't look original.
I joined the group discussing this but have not had the time (we don't live by the boat) to take trim apart.
27-04-2021, 05:31
Boat: L450 fmr Lavezzi
2020, the told us all boats flex, which is why some things looked off kilter (door wouldn't close easily, shelves/wall joins not meeting...). It wasn't till I started reading online that I realized there are (or had been) issues - we saw what looked like smeared in places that didn't look original.
I joined the group discussing this but have not had the time (we don't live by the boat) to take trim apart.
27-04-2021, 05:42
Boat: LAGOON 400
Of the data I have collected, I have not yet seen a "good" bulkhead.
So I guess the answer is all types of use and all types of oceans crossed?
The boat is rated for CE A-D:
The how and why of the past are not really that important here. The future how and why really is.
27-04-2021, 05:54
Boat: 2013 FP Lipari 41
and can only get there on the weekends. We've only been on the boat a few times due to Covid and living out of state taking care of for a year. Now we're de-commissioning and trying to , update and replace before we actually sail; even then we need to and do the bottom.
I'm looking over all the info, but do not want to panic. Lagoon "probably" will not do anything to help, and we aren't sailing yet, so we're safe. I'll on it as soon as I can and keep up with as they unfold.
Thanks.
27-04-2021, 07:16
Boat: L450 fmr Lavezzi
is the issue ...
From my on L400, not big issue if not worried about upwind performance. If bulkhead cracks. then you gotta fix it.
27-04-2021, 11:50
Boat: LAGOON 400
27-04-2021, 11:56
Boat: L450 fmr Lavezzi
does not dance. If BK weakened/damaged rig tension would tell. Our L 400 does not have triple BK at the bottom like 450. BK is 15mm thick.
06-06-2021, 13:26
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Their boat is damaged but the issues they have with the boat, mainly the build quality and how everything is bonded is just appalling.
Sure it is a damaged boat but there is more to it than just the damage from hurricane.
The work they are putting in to get that boat sea worthy again is just insane.
20-06-2021, 05:18
Boat: Lagoon 450, 46 feet
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Are Lagoon Catamarans Good? A Complete Review
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Lagoon is a leading catamaran manufacturer famous for its luxury products and state-of-the-art boats. However, if you’re considering purchasing a cruising catamaran, you may get overwhelmed by the vast selection of boats on the market, and you might be left to wonder if Lagoon catamarans are worth the money, especially after the big “bulkhead-issues” debate started by Youtube channel Parlay Revival.
Lagoon catamarans are great if you’re looking for spacious interiors and exteriors and have a large family to consider. They’re perfect for parties, and the sturdy construction and luxurious looks are favorable. However, they are known for having bulkhead issues (L450) and are sometimes critiqued for poor build quality.
In this article, I will explore the pros and cons of Lagoon catamarans, describe the most popular Lagoon cats’ features in detail, and offer some useful tips on choosing the right cat for your needs.
Table of Contents
The Pros of Lagoon Catamarans
Lagoon has been building catamarans for almost 40 years , and with nearly 6,000 vessels under their belt, it’s safe to say they know what they’re doing. They have nine different sailing models, meaning you have even more choice than ever.
Let’s take a look at what sets Lagoon apart from the rest.
They’re Spacious
Lagoon catamarans are famous for being large and spacious , making them a perfect choice for big families and gatherings. Most Lagoon models have 3 or 4 cabins with lots of storage space and roomy sleeping arrangements.
The galleys feature under-counter fridges and nestled microwave ovens, creating a safe and even more spacious accommodation. Dining tables, freezers, and bench seats easily fit in the big galleys to create a homey feel.
Most models also feature large flybridges with enough room to offer navigation and relaxation at the same time.
Lagoon cats’ saloons and cabins are famous for being friendly to tall sailors. Most of them feature double-berth accommodations with individual showers and head compartments.
They Are Bulit Strong (Most…)
One of the biggest advantages of Lagoon cats is their sturdy construction. Made of balsa wood covered with fiberglass layers through vacuum infusion molding, the furniture in the interior and exterior constructions are strong and lightweight.
Plus, all parts of the boats are well-finished with vinyl ester resin to avoid osmosis.
The interior is also a combination of luxury and long service life with core-mat sandwich or solid glass and Alpi wood laminates.
They use dry layering instead of wet layering, leading to more resistance and precise positioning. Plus, the dry technology allows for the use of less resin, making the designs more lightweight.
Every corner has perfect seals to avoid any leakage or cracks, and the infusion technology makes sure the construction is soundproof, durable, and rigid.
BUT! And this is a big but, there have been some issues with the Lagoon 450 bulkheads, the issue involves some very poorly constructed main bulkheads which tends to break and once broken it will transfer the loads to other smaller bulkheads. This starts a chain reaction that in the end weakens the boat’s structural integrity to the point where I would question its seaworthiness.
If you are buying an Lagoon 450 it is a MUST to check the bulkheads for cracks! Gabo
If you want to better understand this problem I suggest you check out this video from parlay revival.
They Boast Spacious and Clean Decks
Another strength of Lagoon cats is their exterior spaces. Like the interiors, the decks are spacious and wide, with many storage compartments and lockers with trampolines and sunbathing areas.
There are sliding doors between the exterior and interior spaces that can provide extra room for big gatherings, and all parts on the flybridges are easily accessible.
In some models, the stairs directly go to the cockpit, leading to more safety, too.
A few weeks ago a went on a day trip on a Lagoon 380, the boat is quite small with its 38ft, but Lagoon really utilize every centimeter and the boat feels huge.
Lagoon Has a Huge Owners Community
Since there are so many Lagoons sailing around the world, getting an experienced sailor to answer your model-specific questions is never hard. This, I believe, is one of the largest benefits of having a Lagoon, since sooner or later you will have to do repairs, it is a comfort to know there will be people around you that can help you out.
They’re Luxurious
Luxury is the word intended to come to mind when thinking of Lagoon catamarans. All the sturdiness, rigidness, and durability come wrapped under a rich layer of anti-UV finishes.
The interiors are very well-lit, with big windows at eye level offering panoramic views, making it seem like an exclusive hotel room rather than a boat’s cockpit.
Most of the boats have U-shaped seating areas and pleasant furnishing, and the Alpi wood finish gives everything a sleek, elegant look, combining comfort and sophistication.
They’re Safe
Lagoon cats are all well thought out for safety considerations, with handrails all over the place for safe movements even in bad weather conditions. The decks are wide and clutter-free, and the running rigging is suitable for short-handed sailing.
They all conform to the Conformitè Europëenne ( CE ) standards for the unsinkability of multihulls. Everything in the living space is waterproof, and all the wiring is high quality and reliable.
If you are looking for some serious offshore cruising, there will be things you will have to change on every boat so that it fits your specific needs, if you want to know more about offshore cruising, I suggest you read some other articles I wrote called:
What is the best-size catamaran for offshore sailing
9 best cats for circumnavigation and why
Cons of Lagoon Catamarans
As with any product on the market, nothing is perfect. Lagoon catamarans may exceed in luxury and safety, but there are some areas that customers find they are lacking.
Below are some of the areas that may leave you opting for another catamaran manufacturer.
They’re Bulky
Although Lagoon has tried hard to reduce weight, some experts still consider them to be bulky. For example, some models, like the Lagoon 440, are among one of the heaviest models on the market. Some call it a “condomaran” to refer to its lowered performance due to its large size.
However, the company has tried to address this issue by making more compact models while allowing for more volume.
They Can Be Costly
Lagoon cats’ high costs are probably the most significant drawback compared to other big names with similar features. Their hefty prices may be a real turn-off for some sailing enthusiasts. But with their large selection of boats from different models and specs, they have a boat for every budget.
Expect to pay a little bit more just because of the name.
They’re Not Very Fast
These wide spacious catamarans come at the cost of speed. However, newer models have addressed the issue and perform reasonably well both upwind and downwind.
Lagoon catamarans will never be Gunboat or an outremer so if your looking for exciting and fast sailing this is probably not the right boat for you.
But, If you don’t have much sailing skill and want to make sure you have some extra margins of safety Lagoon cats might be the best choice for you.
The Tall Rig Can Be an Issue in Ports and under Bridges
Some models, such as Lagoon 52, have tall rigs to increase windward efficiency and improve the performance in the wind. However, the tall rig can be a problem under bridges.
Popular Lagoon Models
Lagoon has constantly been trying to address its most common issues with newer models and beat their previous models, even if they were wildly popular.
This sense of competition has led to plenty of innovations. For example, it launched its Lagoon 420 in 2006 as the first catamaran in the world with hybrid propulsion.
Below are some of the most popular Lagoon cats in its history, starting with the best seller and working down in terms of units sold. If buying new is not an option, some of these older models may be just what you’re looking for.
The Lagoon 380 is the top seller catamaran globally, although the company has discontinued it.
As mentioned before, I sailed an L380 just a few weeks ago, and here is a short description of that cat.
The L380 has four cabins with two bathrooms, is 11.5 m (38 ft) long, and has two engines. Its most praised feature is its comfortable, simple, and convenient accommodations with oodles of overhead clearance, spacious galleys, and large cabins.
Although it’s slow, it gets the job done because it’s easy to control and performs well enough in poor water and weather conditions. It’s also easy to dock because of its small size, and the two engines make it highly maneuverable.
The 380 is said to reach up to nine knots in good weather with a decent breeze , (we maxed out at 6kts during my sail) – an acceptable speed for cruising catamarans. It sails up to six knots to windward, which is not impressive but not surprising. Though it hobby horses in medium to high waves, it can be managed by putting the weight in the center of the boat.
It also features Lagoon’s signature vertically-positioned windows that provide maximum space in the cabin while at the same time allowing a lot of light inside.
That said, it’s not lightweight, which shouldn’t come as a surprise given its bulky construction. Below the waterline, it features solid fiberglass and a mix of balsa wood and foam.
Although the interior looks cozy and spacious, the furniture finish wears pretty quickly because it’s not the highest quality. And like other Lagoon’s older models, the top bimini is soft, which you can replace with a hard one if you can’t take care of it.
All in all, the 380 is good value for money and stands up well to frequent, private cruising. It’s a classic catamaran that delivers more than what it promises.
For a more detailed review of the cat, watch the YouTube video below:
The 400 is another highly successful Lagoon model produced between 2009 and 2017. The 400 S2 was a refresh introduced in 2012.
Like most Lagoon models, the 400 also suffers from being heavy, struggling in lighter airs. It belongs to the company’s third-generation boats that favor comfort over speed and performance.
That said, it’s easy to maneuver and performs well in a breeze. In lighter winds of under ten knots, you can perform well if you fly the larger sails by the bowsprit.
It features a mainsail with a square top that boosts the sail area and makes her tack well. The rig is also easy to handle because all the line sheets come back to the helm with one manual winch.
The deck is clean and clutter-free so that you can get around the boat safely. The flush decks are wide with recessed hashes, and the bow lockers can accommodate all the lines, sails, and fenders.
This model has many different variants on the market in terms of living space. There are three or four cabins with different head configurations, and the refreshed model (the 400 S2) added cupboards aft and made space for a freezer by moving the electrical panel from the galley to the nav station in the saloon.
For a more detailed review of the 400, you can watch the YouTube video below:
The 40 is one of the most reasonably-priced Lagoon cats that combines luxury, comfort, and performance, making it another top seller. Compared to the 400, it’s lighter and has a wider mast. Plus, the company shed 800 kg (1763.7 lb) of its weight compared to its predecessor, the Lagoon 39.
Watch this YouTube video to see more of the Lagoon 39:
Although space isn’t a rarity on lagoon cats, the 40 is the best in its class space-wise. The bigger windows and the more angular look are pretty easy on the eye, with the signature Lagoon look on the inside. However, it has a more streamlined appearance due to its stretched windows.
Its performance is impressive upwind, and the square-top mainsail makes it sail well in a breeze. Still, it needs a bit of wind to get going fast because it doesn’t perform well in light airs.
It’s also easy to handle short-handed because you can handle all the sheets and lines from the helm. However, the saloon’s roof doesn’t have ventilation, making the area down below stuffy.
There are three or four-cabin options with two to four heads, and the other parts of the saloon and galley are standard lagoon layouts with plenty of storage space.
Check out this YouTube video for a detailed review of the Lagoon 40:
Lagoon 450F
The Lagoon 450F (F: Flybridge version) is fourth in line in terms of the units sold. It’s one of the two versions of the 450 series, the other one being 450S. Although it doesn’t boast high performance, it sails well upwind.
Compared to its predecessor, the 440, it’s quite an improvement in terms of luxury and comfort. The flybridge is easily accessible from down below, and it has a new basking lounge.
The elegant, luxurious interior is big enough for up to 12 people to sleep in, with four bathrooms, four to six cabins, and eight to 12 berths.
The 450S, which is not even a performance cat, does surprisingly well in different weather conditions, and the boom is lower than the 450F, increasing performance due to reducing the rig inertia. It also prevents the cat from hobby horsing, leading to faster and more stable rides.
One of this model’s winning features is its semi-raised helm station which doesn’t stand out from the rest of the boat. It gives the cat a pleasing look and makes the helm more easily accessible.
This YouTube video shows a walkthrough of this model:
The Lagoon 55 is Lagoon’s latest model, launched in March 2021 with Lagoon’s characteristic sleek look. Generous living space, an outdoor galley, a forward cockpit, and a roomy flybridge featuring a dining table are the new design’s features.
It also has internal overhead windows that take the sky-watching experience to the next level. It comes with several three to five-cabin layouts, and the internal furniture comes with a walnut wood finish.
Check out this YouTube video to get an exclusive look into the new beauty:
Tips for Choosing a Catamaran
Choosing the catamaran that suits your needs can be confusing and overwhelming. After all, you’re putting a considerable amount of money into the purchase, and you want it to be a long-time investment.
Here’s what I consider when looking for a cat, and maybe it will be useful for you as well:
Consider Your Needs, Skills, and Budget
If you’ve chosen a catamaran over a monohull, you know the advantages of the former over the latter. For example, it’s more stable, better for big families, and offers more visibility due to raised helms.
For a deep dive into the differences, I suggest some of my other articles:
Cats vs. Monos
Are trimarans faster than catamarans?
But, in choosing the right cat, you should dig deeper. The first thing you should consider is your budget, as a tight budget will significantly narrow down your options. Plus, you should consider additional costs for insurance, taxes, marina fees, and maintenance. Unfortunately, this may take some Lagoon models off the table.
How much does it cost to live aboard a catamaran ? real numbers from liveaboards!
Although, you could opt for second-hand, well-maintained cats if you’re short on budget. The best-selling Lagoon models described above are all available in used markets, and you should have no problems reselling them in the future because of their popularity.
If you need the catamaran for short-term getaways, your choice will differ from what you need for long-term living aboard. Are you going to sail around the world or spend most of your time at anchor? These factors determine the type of catamaran in terms of performance, space, and comfort.
Want to see some good examples of offshore capable cats ?
Since Lagoon is known for its spacious interiors and luxurious finishes, it might be worth spending a little more if you’re planning on longer journeys.
If you don’t have great sailing skills (yet), you should opt for a smaller cat setup for solo sailing.
How to learn to sail a cat!
Inspect Everything
Before you buy the boat, inspect every little corner to make sure it’s safe and secure, and pay attention to all structural details such as main and support bulkheads, standing and running rigging, etc.
What are the parts of a catamaran called?
Pro-tip; if you entertain frequently or have a big family, you need to think of both space and privacy.
What about fixed vs. removable furniture? Is it important for you to move everything outside when entertaining? Even round and square furniture can prove to be a nuisance in different situations.
The amount of light, airflow and ventilation, and ceiling height are also important considerations. If you’re tall, you don’t want to be crouching all the time when you’re inside.
When buying new, you should have no issues getting all the little details your need on your Lagoon catamaran. However, if you purchase second-hand, you may need to compromise on certain amenities to account for the lower cost.
How Much Weight Can You Carry?
Boats have certain limitations in terms of the allowed payload, and excess weight will affect your catamaran’s performance . With full water and fuel tanks, there’s a fixed amount of gear you can take on board.
Does the cat offer emergency water or fuel storage on deck? Lightweight cats sometimes have more wiggle room for adding extra gear and provisions.
The galley layout also plays a major role, especially if you travel with your family. Can you live with the current size of the galley, and is there room to add appliances such as a microwave, ice maker, or coffee machine?
Check out this guide to choosing the right design!
Think about where you’ll be preparing food, putting the dishes to dry, or laying out plates to serve. How much space do you need for cooking?
In general, Lagoon cats are known to offer plenty of room inside , and most of the kitchens come with plenty of optional extras to make your time aboard as stress-free as possible.
Do Your Homework
Finally, never jump into buying the first catamaran that catches your eye. Shop around online and offline, considering every little detail. Talk to experts and perform “sea trials” if possible.
Some companies let you try the boat by staying on it for a few days. This way, you’ll get a real feel of what it’s like.
It’s also possible to work with a broker who can help you search for and negotiate when buying new and used catamarans.
I have put together a few buyers guide that could help you on your journey towards a good buy!
Catamaran buyers guide
How to buy a used catamaran
How much does it cost to liveaboard a catamaran?
Final Thoughts
If you’re considering getting a cruising catamaran, Lagoon is one of the brands I would recommend looking into. It’s famous for its luxuriously spacious interiors, sturdy and safe construction, and easily accessible and manageable decks.
Since there are a lot of Lagoons roaming the planet there is also a huge community and help is never far away.
However, the Lagoon models aren’t the best performers, especially in upwind due to their bulkiness. Although you can find them at various prices, they can be too steep for some budgets. If you don’t mind the lower speed, you can find some used ones at reasonable prices.
Owner of CatamaranFreedom.com. A minimalist that has lived in a caravan in Sweden, 35ft Monohull in the Bahamas, and right now in his self-built Van. He just started the next adventure, to circumnavigate the world on a Catamaran!
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In the last three months, we have completed 3 blue water sailing trips, totaling 2400+ NM, on our Lagoon 450S catamaran. We are ready to share our thoughts about its performance, as well as our likes and dislikes about the catamaran overall. When we first saw the drawings of the Lagoon 450S, we really liked the design. It had many of the features we wanted in a cruising catamaran, the most important feature being the semi-raised helm station. This was always a non-negotiable point for us and the SporTop fit the bill perfectly. The other catamaran choice offering a semi-raised helm would have been the Fountaine Pajot Helia 44 (review and pictures). The FP Helia is a nice boat, but we didn’t like the interior as much (purely personal preference) and it is substantially smaller than the Lagoon in volume (click on the picture below to see the comparison).
Good cruising performance was another important feature but since living space is equally important to us, we opted to go for a cruiser rather than a racer cruiser like Outremer or Catana. We live and work aboard and we occasionally do educational charters . Therefore, we wanted good interior space, but we certainly did not want a slug either.
Based on previous sailing reports and the Lagoon design team’s projections, the Lagoon 450S seemed the right choice for us (Read our post about “ Why we chose the Lagoon 450S” ).
We originally weren’t too thrilled about owning one of around 500+ similar catamarans built in the last four or so years. On top of that, production boats like Lagoon and Fountaine Pajot are often times unfairly tagged as “condomarans” that cannot sail worth a damn. These perceptions were not a good start for our new “home” right off the bat and not great for our exit strategy either. So, we researched this extensively. We found that unlike some other brands, statistics proved that Lagoon’s resale is very strong, particularly the 3-cabin version . But the 4-cabin Lagoons don’t do badly either. So we made peace with that issue, knowing that Lagoon holds its value fairly well. Moreover, we figured that with so many units built, all or most kinks should be worked out on this model by now. We really liked that idea!
At the Lagoon factory, a quality controller oversees every stage of the production during the entire build process and every imperfection is dealt with immediately (see the video below in “construction” section). That was very impressive and set our minds at ease. We highly recommend doing a factory tour in La Rochelle. Not only is it very exciting to see your boat being manufactured, but the city of La Rochelle is a gourgeous old walled coastal city situated in the southwest part of France (AND the French food and wine is exquisite)! See a live cam of Port de Plaisance in LaRochelle, France.
How Did The Lagoon 450S Catamaran Measure Up?
So, on the surface we liked the Lagoon 450S. BUT, did it pass the test for our purposes as live-aboards with a penchant for sailing long ocean passages?
Lagoon 450S Sailing Ability
As I said before, over 500 Lagoon 450 Flybridge versions were produced. So this model has already proven itself to be a good ocean cruiser in various ocean crossings and rallies like the ARC Rally . Bearing in mind that the 450S is not a performance catamaran, we were pleasantly surprised with her performance under all conditions. Period. Doing a 200+ NM sailing day is very important to us. We often sail long distances and we wanted to be able to make good progress every day and to out-run bad weather if possible. It was a goal that we easily achieved on our delivery from Guadeloupe and subsequently on other passages.
Lowered Boom: We really liked that the boom on the SporTop is substantially lower than the Flybridge version (28 inches), with a mast height of 74 ft. The lower boom brings the center of gravity down lower and reduces inertia in the rig. That, coupled with the increased bouyancy forward created by the chines on the inside of the bowsand the sail plan, increases performance and eliminates hobby horsing, making it a faster and much more stable and comfortable ride, despite the maximum volume and very high freeboard.
Nimble In Light Conditions: During our delivery from Guadeloupe the boat sailed very well on all points of sail and did well even in very light winds which was a pleasant surprise. She easily sails at 50% of apparent wind speed. Generally, most boats will sail well in strong winds, but it is the light wind performance that defines whether the boat is a good sailor or not and the 450S is very nimble in light conditions in part because of the enormous 872sqft of square-headed fully battened mainsail.
Good Performance: She also displayed good upwind ability on a close reach and tracked really well. On a reach and beam reach, the favorite point of sail for a cat, our Lagoon sails like a dream. We often sailed in double digits without too much trouble. As an example; we sailed 41NM in 4 hours in 18-20 knots between Turks and Caicos and Georgetown in the Exumas on a beam reach in 6-8ft seas with little or no slamming. That is an easy 10.25Knots per hour – not a rocket ship to be sure, but certainly very respectable.
Squally Conditions: During our trip in the Gulf-stream going north, we were caught in several squalls. Conditions were deplorable with 10-12ft waves and had wind speeds of up to 38 knots. We were able to luff up the main and reef down in no time, which was easily done from the safety of the cockpit. Luffing up is the best course of action when you’re temporarily overpowered. It reduces the speed and helps keep the boat under control. Once we had the reefs in, we bore away and ran with the wind. The boat was moving at around 12 knots with 38 knots of true wind from astern. By running or doing a very broad reach we managed to reduce the apparent wind speed on the rig to around a manageable 26 Knots until the squall blew through and we could resume our course. Video of our trip in the Gulf-stream
Genoa / Self-tacking jib: We have a full Genoa instead of a self-tacking jib. While the self-tacking jib is a nice feature for short-handed sailing, the sail is small for anything but a close or beam reach. Another reason why we opted for the conventional genoa setup, is that if a jib sheet parts, it is easy to use the lazy sheet to control the jib while replacing the damaged sheet. If the sheet parts on a self-tacking jib, which has only one sheet, there are all sorts of problems and you have no choice but to furl the sail if you can.
Sailing upwind: It is commonly believed that a catamaran cannot point as high as a monohull unless it has daggerboards. That is not exactly accurate. Generally most catamarans point as high as cruising monohulls but make more leeway because they have less lateral resistance although, catamarans with daggerboards do point higher than ones with fixed keels. However, if you fall off the wind 5 – 10 degrees, its boat speed will be higher than an equivalent monohull and maintain a faster VMG upwind. In fact, Dennis Connor’s 1988 America’s Cup victory on ‘Stars and Stripes’ in San Diego over KZ-1, the world’s most radical 90ft. monohulls, bears this out.
Sail changes: Stephen and I did several sail changes on delivery, including hoisting the spinnaker. It was easy enough to do. All the lines come back to the cockpit and quite frankly, even as big as this rig is, it was not very difficult to handle the sail changes single handedly. The single line reefing makes it really easy to reef quickly. We learned how easy it was to reef at two o’clock in the morning when a massive squall hit us out of nowhere while sailing north in the Gulf-stream from The Abacos in the Bahamas to Norfolk.
We have a pad eye on each bow and attach the tack of the sail to the windward bow using a snatch block and a line back to the forward cleat (the reason for this is that if you get into a situation it is easy to release the cleat line and let the tack fly free, you can then recover the sail using the sheet by pulling it down behind the main).
The head is hoisted using the spinnaker halyard and the clew is attached to a sheet that runs outside of everything to a block on the leeward side stern and then to a winch for trim control. To get the best performance out of the Asymmetrical, you should ease the sheet until the luff of the sail starts to collapse and then sheet in a bit. Ideally you should see a periodic flapping/collapsing of the leading edge of the sail but only about a foot or so. Be mindful not to sail with the Asymmetrical sheeted in too tight; it will not perform to its optimum.
To conclude, we have few complaints about the sailing ability of the Lagoon 450S!
Sailing Ability
The mainsail is a little sluggish in coming down. Intermediate cars would have made all the difference. The distance between the cars on the sail is around 10-12 feet. When the sail drops, having this much distance between the cars, makes the sail billow out and prevents the sail from coming down fast. It’s an easy fix though.
Sailing Ability: What The Experts Say
« 19 days! Maybe not a “Route du Rhum” time, but nevertheless a very creditable performance for a voyage from La Rochelle to Pointe à Pitre (3477 miles) in a strictly standard Lagoon 450.” »Jean-François Tanguy, professional skipper – February 2011
« The 450 rewarded us with pleasant, lively behaviour in the light to moderate conditions; it jogged along with a spring in its step… » Phillippe Echelle, Multihulls World 2011
« The sailplan gives the boat enough power to remain fast and dynamic in a wind of less than 10 knots. » Multicoques magazine, FR / Multihulls World, UK-January 2011
Construction
This boat is well constructed. Even as we pushed the boat with as much power as the conditions allowed, we did not notice excessive creaking or shuddering. We had some VERY picky crew members on board. They inspected every corner of the boat but could not find much fault. Every inch of the boat is well finished, even in the darkest corners. When we did the factory tour, we noticed that every stage of the build was inspected for quality along the way, and you can tell from looking at the finished product.
Vacuum Infusion: What impressed Stephen (the more technical member of our team) is that the hulls are vacuum infused, ensuring the optimum laminate/resin ratio which reduces weight significantly. As we know, weight is a killer for catamarans and less weight allows for more volume; Good or bad, I don’t know. But what I do know, is that in spite of the much talked about heavy “condomarans”, this boat sailed very well and is comfortable in all conditions.
Solid construction: The other things that made an impression on Stephen is that the rudder tube is composite and laminated into a solid section of the hull towards the stern instead of on the join (which would have been the easy thing to do). The chain plates are well bedded onto a section of very heavy duty solid laminate which transfers the load into the hull section. All equipment fitted on the deck, such as the cleats, have substantial backing plates for strength (see the picture insert). That is however not the case with all catamaran brands. We have heard of cleats being ripped out of the deck on some cats in strong winds.
Bridgedeck Clearance
The bridgedeck clearance is around 26 inches, which represents 5% of LWL, which is a very respectable ratio. ( Read here about bridgedeck clearance on catamarans ). One of the biggest surprises for us was how quiet the boat was during passages. There was very little slamming even in big steep seas. Now, we all know that catamarans slam under the bridgedeck from time to time. There is no getting away from it but it’s the degree of slamming that makes the difference.
We have been in catamarans where the saloon table literally bounced up and down and the whole boat vibrated from the slamming on the bridgedeck. The Lagoon 450S’s bridgedeck clearance is very good and the transons are well out of the water even fully loaded. The gull-wing shaped tunnel breaks the waves somewhat, which reduces wave impact and therefor slamming. It really is a feature that we were very pleased about since it is crucial for catamaran seaworthiness and crew comfort.
The Semi-Raised Helm Station
Safety: The person on watch in the cockpit can still be social with other crew down in he cockpit or even in the galley. When it’s just the two of us on long passages, ease of social interaction and safety concerns makes a big difference for peace of mind. We are always within easy reach of each other.
Instrument panel: The instrument panel is awesome! There is a lot of space for instruments on the instrument panel. The engine panels are well positioned on the panel, so you don’t have to bend down to see the engine RPMs. One has good visibility of the sails and all four corners of the catamaran and the engine controls are in a good position even for a shorter person.
The one negative is that I (Estelle) am a little short to stand and see over the coachroof properly, but I have found a vantage point that works for me.
TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS
Length overall
13,96m / 45’10”
Beam
7,87m / 25’10”
Draft
1,30m / 4’3”
Mast clearance
22,33m / 73’3”
Light displacement (EEC)
15,00t / 33075 Lbs
Sail area
130 m² / 1399 sq.ft.
Full-batten mainsail
79 m² / 850 sq.ft.
Square top mainsail (opt.)
81 m² / 872 sq.ft.
Furling genoa
51 m² / 549 sq.ft.
Code 0 (opt.)
93 m² / 1001 sq.ft.
Engine (std)
2 x 54 hp YANMAR 4JH45
Fuel capacity
2 x 520 l / 2 x 137 Lbs
Fresh water capacity
2 x 175 l / 2 x 46 US gal
No. Of berths
6 to 12
The anchor locker is deep and wide, which stops chain from piling up and jamming the windlass. It comes with 170ft of oversized 1/2inch chain (a little overkill but it is great for sleeping soundly at night). The boat easily carries the weight. it’s stowed right in the chest under the mast and we have plenty of buoyancy up forward. We did replace the anchor with a 74-pound Rocna anchor . We keep the other one as our secondary anchor. It would have been nice to have a second bow roller to leave the second anchor in place but because of the way the anchor is situated in the chest, it is not possible.
Electrical & Plumbing
The electrical panel is adequate and user-friendly. The system is well protected with breakers at every critical juncture. It has easy access to all wire and technical spaces. Access to the circuit breakers (general and engine) is easy and protected in a housing with a hinged cover at the foot of the berth in the aft cabin. The plumbing is easily accessible everywhere and everything is high quality.
Two of the breakers are in very awkward spaces and were hard to find at first.
Engine Power & Generator
We chose to upgrade to the 57 HP Yanmar engines with Flexofold props and we’re glad we did. They give us lots of power when we need it. The engine rooms are accessed from the scoops and have a lot of space. There is plenty of space inside the compartment to be able to work on an engine with ease if necessary. There is also a convenient storage shelf over the engine compartment. We use three big storage bins so it’s easy to unpack if necessary. The Cummins 13KW generator in the chest of the boat has great access and is remarkably quiet.
We replaced the manufacturer’s fuel filter units fitted by the factory with two Racor 500’s. The manufacturer’s units were just too complicated. Stephen likes to be able to change the Racor filter cartridges quickly in the event of a blocked filter and the Racor filters, which he knows well, do the job best. Under engine we do a comfortable 7.5 knots at 2,500 rpm & 8.9 at 3,200; both cruising speed and top speed are satisfactory.
Scoops / Aft Boarding Steps
The steps in the “scoops” are a little steep and the bottom step is not deep enough. This is a big negative for fishermen!! On our Island Spirit the scoops were huge, wide and shallow. It’s a great place to land the fish and then immediately cut up and clean it. Because of the size of the scoops, it is safe and has plenty of space to work even in big sea. Not so on the Lagoon 450S. We will probably rig a fishing table on the stern. Even so, the steps are easy to board from a dinghy and providea nice swim platform. On the positive side the high steps and angle are great to reduce noise when underway which, believe it or not is quite loud. The other advantage of the scoops on the L450 is that when you have big seas from astern the boat remains dry and it is very unlikely that you will be pooped.
Dinghy Davits
They are sturdy and easy to operate. They are rated at 450-pounds per side and easily accommodate our Walkerbay 12ft deluxe super tender and Honda 20HP outboard engine. We had our dinghy and the engine hauled up and secured during passages and even with big seas the dinghy stayed steady and in place. The dinghy is fitted with a bridle and is easy to hoist. We have an electric winch right at the base of the davits and is easy to handle.
Boat Owner Manuals
The owner manuals are fantastic. It is very precise with pictures to show the various systems, plumbing, electrics, etc., both in English and in French. The English version is not a “direct” translation from French, so you don’t have to guess what they are trying to convey. Each individual piece of equipment on board has a user manual and separate warranties.
Overall, we are very satisfied with our choice of catamaran. We fitted a rub rail with stainless insert, a satellite TV, Iridium, and some other equipment after market. But we pretty much had a finished boat when we accepted delivery. In general, the quality of the important equipment from the factory is good and you can see that this is a fully evolved product. All warranty issues (we only had a couple of things) were dealt with promptly. If we were building the boat ourselves, it would be tough to do much better. This Lagoon 450S is a really good, comfortable live-aboard blue-water cruiser. Our biggest pleasant surprise is her sailing ability and comfort at sea.
Price & Specifications
>>Part Two of the Lagoon 450S Review: Interior Living Space and Forward and Aft Cockpits!
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Thanks for the review, Its very hard to find objective and thorough evaluations! I look forward to part 2.
I also look forward to you getting a better video camera, 🙂
Best of Luck.
Very nice review, I can’t wait for part two.
The audio was a bit rough due to the wind noise picked up by mic, but I’d rather have that than no video at all!
Having been a monohull purist for a long time, I’ve only sailed Lagoon cats, and although I’ve loved the 38, 40 & 42s I’ve chartered, the 2014 39 we had going from St. Vincent to Grenada over 2 weeks this Spring was a dog. It was the slowest, most difficult and uncontrollable sailboat I’ve ever skippered. I learned from the captain we handed her over to at the end of the trip that they have a bad reputation, which had me concerned about other, newer Lagoons. So I was thrilled to read that you’re so happy with your 450S. Thanks for the great review and I’ll be looking for a 450S for our next charter.
Thanks for the great summary
Did you compare performance, internal room against Leopard 44?
No max displacement number. What cruiser doesn’t want to know that?
Monohull owner here. I have spoken with a few lagoon 45 owners. I have been invited on board a couple different year ones. Their boats are all newer 2015 and up. Why are they all experiencing bulkhead de-lamination ? If l am not mistaken, 2010 was the first year for the lagoon 450. To date well over 1,000 hulls have been built. Lagoon is well aware of this problem. What year did the hull problems begin ? What year did lagoon correct the problem ? What have they done to remedy this default in manufacturing ? Not meaning to insult you. But your review reads like an advertisement for Lagoon. I thought your job is to be unbiassed. You did not find one fault. That tells me you are not a trustworthy person. Your job means more to you than your integrity. That makes you a boat salesperson, not a boat review person.
Hi Matthew (monohull owner) MY ANSWERS IN BLUE CAPS Not meaning to insult you. YOU JUST DID. WITHOUT GETTING ANY CONTEXT AT ALL AND YOU CERTAINLY DON’T KNOW US. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WE DO. IF YOU DID, YOU WOULD KNOW THAT WE DON’T PROMOTE ONE BRAND OVER ANOTHER. THIS REVIEW WAS DONE IN 2016 WHEN WE PURCHASED OUR BOAT (HULL #5). I STRESS “PURCHASED” BECAUSE WE DID NOT GET SPONSORED AND WE DID NOT GET IT FOR FREE. WE BOUGHT THE BOAT OUT RIGHT BECAUSE WE BELIEVED THAT IT WAS, AT THE TIME, THE BEST BOAT FOR US. WE STILL HAPPEN TO LOVE THE BOAT AND ONCE THE BULKHEAD ISSUES ARE TAKEN CARE OF, IT IS STILL A VERY DESIRABLE BOAT. WE SOLD OUR BOAT (LAST YEAR WHEN WE UPGRADED) TO CLOSE FRIENDS OF OURS WHO LIVE IN THE SAME MARINA AS WE DO AND THEY NOW LOVE THE BOAT AS MUCH AS WE DID. But your review reads like an advertisement for Lagoon. WE HAVE NO AFFILIATION WITH LAGOON WHATSOEVER. WE ARE FREE TO SELL ANY BOAT WE WANT TO, INCL. FOUNTAINE PAJOT, NAUTITECH, BALI, LEOPARD, XQUISITE ETC. (ALL OF WHICH HAVE THEIR OWN SETS OF ISSUES). SO, WE ARE NOT IN THE TANK FOR ONE PARTICULAR BRAND AT ALL. I thought your job is to be unbiassed. You did not find one fault. YOU MUST HAVE MISSED OUR NEGATIVES ON THE BOAT IN THIS POST. THERE ARE SEVERAL NEGATIVES THAT WE POINTED OUT. WE DID THE REVIEW AND IT WAS OUR OPINION AT THE TIME. YOU ARE FREE TO TAKE FROM IT WHAT YOU WILL. That tells me you are not a trustworthy person. Your job means more to you than your integrity. That makes you a boat salesperson, not a boat review person. WHILE YOU SAY YOU DON’T WANT TO BE INSULTING, YOU ARE MAKING PRETTY STRONG AND INSULTING ACCUSATIONS BUT THEN, THIS IS WHAT SOCIAL MEDIA ALLOWS. WE DON’T KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND CANNOT HAVE A FACE TO FACE WITH YOU. I have spoken with a few lagoon 45 owners. I have been invited on board a couple different year ones. Their boats are all newer 2015 and up. Why are they all experiencing bulkhead de-lamination ? If l am not mistaken, 2010 was the first year for the lagoon 450. To date well over 1,000 hulls have been built. Lagoon is well aware of this problem. What year did the hull problems begin? What year did lagoon correct the problem? What have they done to remedy this default in manufacturing? REGARDING THE BULKHEAD ISSUE: THIS CAME TO LIGHT TOWARDS THE END OF LAST YEAR (YEARS AFTER THIS POST WAS WRITTEN) WHEN A CRUISER DISCOVERED THE ISSUE AND MADE OTHERS AWARE OF IT. WE HAVE NO PRIOR KNOWLEDGE OF THIS AND LAGOON HAS CERTAINLY NEVER SHARED THIS WITH US PRIOR. NOR WOULD THEY, AS WE HAVE NO AFFILIATION WITH THEM. WE, LIKE THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY ARE WATING TO HEAR THE OUTCOME OF THIS ISSUE FROM LAGOON. PLEASE DIRECT ALL YOUR QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO LAGOON WHO ARE MOST QUALIFIED TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS. AS YOU KNOW, SOCIAL MEDIA IS ABUZZ REGARDING THIS SUBJECT AND YOU WILL GET VARYING OPINIONS FROM ALL THE PARTIES INVOLVED. WE RECOMMEND TO OUR CLIENTS AND EVERY LAGOON OWNER TO LODGE THEIR CLAIMS WITH LAGOON. I BELIEVE THAT THE FACEBOOK GROUP HAS PUT OUT A BULLETIN ABOUT HOW TO DEAL WITH THIS. AGAIN, FEEL FREE TO CALL OR EMAIL US ANY TIME TO DISCUSS TEL: 804-815-5054. [email protected] OR [email protected] .
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Parlay revival : lagoon 450f owner´s review:.
A big thanks to Colin and the crew of Parlay – a 2012 Lagoon 450F for helping with this Owner´s Review. They have fixed up the boat following extensive hurricane damage from Irma. She now looks great! The next mission is to sail across the Pacific from the Caribbean to New Zealand to make it to Auckland, Colin’s home town, in time for the America’s cup. Follow their journey on the Parlay Revival Youtube Channel. As you can imagine, Colin knows this boat inside out. Here is his Lagoon 450F Owner´s Review. This one’s a good ´un! If you are interested in these yachts, you might also want to check out our complete History of Lagoon .
Can you tell us a bit about yourself and your boat “Parlay”? It looks like an interesting story. I am a Chief Engineer of Superyachts, from New Zealand, and bought a hurricane damaged 2012 Lagoon 450 catamaran in Tortola after Hurricane Irma. We started a YouTube channel called Parlay Revival, and document all of our adventures in weekly episodes. We have rebuilt her and sailed all around the Caribbean, through the Panama Canal, and are about to cross the Pacific to New Zealand. Have done around 20,000 miles on Parlay already.
Why did you choose to fix up a Lagoon 450? Were you looking at other boats, or was this the best on the market? Given the choice, would you go 450F or 450S (bulkhead helm)? I skippered an L450 in 2013 in Thailand and absolutely loved the layout. Especially the fly bridge. I went to Tortola ultimately looking for a hurricane damaged Lagoon 450, and when Parlay popped up, I had to buy her. The initial intentions for Parlay was to run surf charters in Costa Rica, so wanted the space and the 4 cabins, but with the success of the YouTube channel, our plans have changed to continue sailing around the world.
When was she originally launched? Do you have any history of previous owners, where´s she´s been? Was a heavy charter boat in Tortola with BVI yacht charters from launch until the hurricane.
What’s the best thing about her? Fly bridge. Hands down. I usually cruise with 6-8 crew, and the space that adds is priceless. All of us can sit up there, as well as the sun beds in front of the helm, and enjoy the view together, rather than looking up the skippers bum!
What´s the worst thing? This is typical of MOST catamarans but sailing upwind is very unpleasant. And the bridge slam shakes the entire boat to the point where it can be very disconcerting!
How has Parlay aged. Gracefully? Which bit has suffered the most wear and tear? Of the stuff that didn´t get damaged by the hurricane I mean. To be honest the interior carpentry isn’t the best and shows a lot of signs of wear and tear. Although with so many crew we put her through her paces. And 5 years of charter before we bought her didn’t do her any favors.
Parlay Revival Youtube – The Original Boat Tour
What would you change to the basic design if anything? 3 main things, for example. What´s your take on the balsa core? Headroom in the aft cockpit with the base of the flybridge floor? Balsa core, if it gets wet, is an absolute nightmare!! Terrible material. Foam or honeycomb core would be much more preferable. This is a sensitive subject for us, as we had to remove so much of it, but I guess in normal situations the hull core should stay pretty dry. Careful to seal any holes you put in the hull, on both the inside and out. The SD50 sail drives are an issue so the SD60 would be better. A small thing is how the main sliding door locks. This hardware has failed and we have had to put a big padlock in its place. The sliding window latch is super weak, which the sliding door locks up against.
What are the “Must Haves” for this boat in your opinion? eg your new watermaker, the solars, engine upgrade, folding props etc. Just to help people who are looking at second hand boats Good solar is imperative. We have 1600W. Never have to run the engines for charge. We have slow cookers and rice cookers to cook a lot of our meals, so a good inverter is worth its weight in gold. Watermaker is a new addition and is a game changer. With 6-8 crew this is a must, it was a pain always having to find marinas to bunker water. If you were a couple or a small family you could get by, but as mentioned, with this many crew you need to be able to make your own water. We have standard engines, sail drives and props with absolutely no issues so far. Fridges are the biggest consumers of power so very important to try get the most efficient ones you can. The ones from lagoon are not very efficient. We added a salt water deck wash pump for the outside which we use all the time so that was a good install. Have no built in generator, Aircon, washing machine or dishwasher and we are absolutely comfortable without. The only time Aircon would be a relief would be in rainy season in the tropics, where you can’t open the hatches for fresh air.
What would be the “Nice to Haves”? More efficient fridges, and maybe a nice deep freeze. Both fridges have small freezer compartments, but when we catch a big fish it would be nice to freeze more of it. A hard top for the fly bridge is our next major upgrade. We will have to get the frame welded but we can make the rest. Lights, speakers, more solar, the works!
How are the electrics, plumbing etc Not too bad. Coming from a superyacht background, it is the bare minimum, but have had very few issues. Bilges have 2 electric pumps, and a hand pump so a lot of redundancy. The Electrics are actually quite good but the drawings are terrible, so can be a mission trying to locate and identify a wire sometimes. Our manual is in French which doesn’t help!
Is she easy to fix up and maintain? Servicing engines, standing rigging etc. You have a ton of experience in this area… Very happy with the space available to work around the engines and sail drives. The whole compartment is excellent, with shelving above the engines, which is well insulated for sound. Both engine rooms have their own ventilation fans. The rigging must be something extraordinary to have stayed up through hurricane Irma. I have had 3 independent riggers go through it, and none have reported any major issues. A few dings here and there from debris flying through the air during the hurricane, but nothing affecting the structural strength. Some things such as the compressors to the fridges or plumbing for the heads are hard to access but this is true for any boat, even super yachts!
Is she easy to sail short-handed? To shorten sail? Easy to reach the boom? I rented one once- the boom is pretty high isn´t it? What´s the sail plan like? I never have, nor would I want to sail her single handed. Always have at least one crew with me. Jib sheets lead to opposite ends of the fly bridge so much better with another pair of hands. In saying that, 2 skilled sailors can easily handle her, so long as the autopilot is reliable. Reefing in a squall also requires one on the halyard and one on the reefing line, with autopilot holding your course. We usually keep the jib out without turning into wind, and ease the main sheet to luff the main and reef it that way. One annoying thing is closing and opening the sail bag. We close it almost every time we finish sailing, to keep the UV off the sail, which means climbing up the mast and walking down the boom/sail.
What’s she like in heavy weather / a blow Have had her in 40 knots true, downwind, with only a small amount of jib out, and we were super comfortable. Only thing looking like it was in trouble was our Bimini! Going into rough seas can be a nightmare with the bridge slam. Have had short period 3 meter seas directly beam on which wasn’t fun either but never felt like we were in trouble. We reduce sail early, as she has been through a lot already, so never push her too hard.
How is the helm position. Do you bumb your head on that bimini? How do you find the steps down from the bridge when you are helming/crewing? Yea the Bimini is a pain. As mentioned, that is our next major upgrade. It is low, and small. When the sun is behind us we get our backs burnt! But for navigating, the flybridge has paid for itself many times over! It is a high position so navigating through reefs etc is quite comfortable with good water vis. It would be so hard to switch to a cat without a fly after living on here for 2 years. We haven’t been through too many rainy areas but I must admit that you are very unprotected up there from the elements if it starts to pour. We had a screen made for the front of the Bimini which would help if sailing into the wind, but not from any other direction. There are no issues with bumping your head anywhere on the boat except for the Bimini, and one corner of a cupboard above the fridge next to the salon door!
How does she sail in light winds? I think we are the heaviest lagoon 450 in the world. 8 crew, with 2 dogs, loads of spare parts, and tools, and currently $7000 worth of food to be able to cross the pacific, including 70 cartons of beer, and are full of fuel. So if there is anything less than 5 knots we don’t move. More than 5 on the beam and we can do 3 knots. Upwind or downwind we need around 10kts apparent to do the same speed.
How does she sail close hauled? We can sail 45 deg app to the wind. With drift this equates to around a 110 deg difference in COG from tack to tack, so we don’t make much ground up wind! We bring the jib right up to the spreaders, and sometimes even put the traveler to windward of midships to point a little higher. We start reefing at 20kts apparent as it feels a little loaded up. If the seas are rough we reef even earlier.
How about on a reach, heading down wind? Beam reach we sail great! with 10 knots we can do 6. Downwind is slow. Wing on wing gets us an extra knot or 2. Put preventer down to mid ships cleat.
Typically, what’s your average speed on passage? If we do less than 6 knots it is a bit disappointing. Can do 9 knots comfortably. Max I have seen is 14, so far!
What’s she like under power? Speed, manoeuvrability? I motor with one engine at 2400rpm and do around 5.5 knots, if not into a headwind. There is a lot of windage on this boat so affected a lot by this. Only have 2 bladed fixed props. If you had to, you could put both engines up to 2800 and get 8-9 knots out of her in flat seas.
Is she easy to dock, what’s the visibility like? Great vis. Open aft deck hatch to be able see you port quarter easily for docking. High helm position makes docking an ease. Would be hard to beat the overall visibility of this boat. Only blind spot is directly aft of you to the Stb transom, but you learn to gauge this distance.
What is she like at anchor? With the 1/2″ chain, she is excellent. 300ft chain. 75lb delta. Only dragged once because I had out way less chain than I thought I did! Installed better chain length markers after this! With my anchor alarm app on my phone, I sleep so good at night. If beam on to the swell at anchor, the main halyard slaps against the mast so tie her back aft to the sail bag.
What´s she like when its raining hard? We added a visor sort of thing over the 2 salon hatches, so that we can have them slightly open in the rain now. Before this, the salon turned into a sauna. The cockpit gets pretty wet as we have no covers around it, but adding this would be great, but be SUPER hot. Flybridge is one wet area, so need full wet weather gear to be able to go up there.
Is she comfortable down below? Cabins/saloon/galley/heads. Apart from the fly, this is what sells the boat. 4 cabins, with 4 heads. Excellent storage. Fans are enough to keep the cabins cool. Overhead hatches let good airflow through. Heads are hand pump style, but simple and effective. Only head that has a holding tank is the port aft one, which is 80L. The rest overboard only. Something to note.
One of my crew also sleeps in the port fwd crew cabin, which has a good sized bed in it, but no head. Great option if you want to put her in charter. Galley is a great size, 3 burner stove is sufficient. We are short on storage in the galley but that is because we have so many crew!!
Where’s your favourite spot on the boat? Fly helm? Definitely. Even at anchor it is an epic spot to hang out, but underway it is priceless. I get the guitar out and we all chill up there together. Absolutely priceless. Every one of the 50 odd crew we have had come and go would concur.
How is the finish and layout of the interior? Does she creak under sail? Yes she does! one probably more than others, as she took a bit of a beating during Irma, and loosened up a bit of the cabinetry. If buying, one thing to check thoroughly is the bonding of the floor frames to the hull. These aren’t all glassed, some of them are bust glued, so need to make sure these have not separated. Also, the way the interior is put together is a logistical nightmare to undo, to access sections of the hull, take my word for it. It is assembled like a jigsaw puzzle, with hidden screws everywhere, so can take days to figure out how to access parts of the boat.
Is she good for hosting guests? Probably the best layout of any 45ft boat for hosting guests. Am I wrong? Haha
What kind of modifications have you done/plan to do and why? Most of these mentioned above. Solar being the key along with the water maker. Inverter and solar chargers all viltron and bluetooth. Have added separate water level sensors to their own gauges, because the built in ones are not accurate. Hard top Bimini with full surround shades is the dream. Our friend has this and the fly bridge becomes a legitimate spare cabin in all weather conditions.
Any plans for further customisation? Apart from the hard top, we are replacing all of the sails next, including new spinnaker, with Precision sails in Canada. very excited about this. After all those years as a charter boat her sails are a bit rough.
If you were to swap her for another boat, what would that be? Or maybe you wouldn’t swap her? I honestly can’t think of a 45ft boat on the planet that would suit our needs more than an L450F. My friend has a Leopard 46, which comes close, especially with the fwd cockpit area, but as a fly bridge fan it doesn’t cut the mustard!
How is the after sales service from Lagoon or their brokers? Have not made contact so can’t comment.
Anything else you would add to help people thinking of buying a Lagoon, either 2nd hand or new? Recommend lifting the floor boards and thoroughly inspecting the tabbing between all frames and bulkheads. Moisture meter on the hull. Wet balsa core is a nightmare and needs to be addressed immediately. We had to put big backing plates on all our cleats, the glass was cracking from the force on them over the years. Check these. Steering gear should be thoroughly inspected. We have all Raymarine instruments, which I love. Our wind vane was mounted slightly off center, so had to align it, as it was saying we could sail closer to the wind on port tack than stb.
Thanks Colin, there’s some real nuggets of information there on the Lagoon 450F. We look forward to following your adventure on the Parlay Revival YouTube channel. Cheers, fair winds!
If you are interested in these boats, check out our Lagoon Catamaran For Sale page where we list all the latest Lagoons on the market.
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Originally Posted by ReneJK. now normally i am not an alarmist but recently there has been a thread on the facebook 450 owners group where several owners of 450 f/s have reported broken bulkheads , ages 2011 - 2018 o. Owner in this picture is in big problem. Only solution return everthing, good insurance and wait gale 10 and go hard sailing in ...
Lagoon 450 forward bulkhead deformation: owners encouraged to seek an
Catamaran builder Lagoon is seeking to reassure owners of the Lagoon 450 following reports of forward bulkhead deformation.. Lagoon, which is part of Groupe Beneteau, has stressed that no navigation or safety issues have been reported as a result of the fault.. Since 2011, 1,011 Lagoon 450s have been produced. The boat builder said it had thoroughly examined the cases reported to it 'to ...
Lagoon bulkheads
Lagoon bulkheads. Another YouTube channel Sailing Nahoa on a 2005 Lagoon 410 is reporting broken bulkhead issues as they sail the Indian Ocean. I thought this was a design fault related to the Lagoon 450. Makes me wonder if this is not an issue with all Lagoons built over the last twenty years that have been sailed extensively.
440 2006/2007 Lagoon 440 Common Issues
Posts: 23. Re: 2006/2007 Lagoon 440 common issues. First don't freak out when the survey finds de-tabbing of bulkheads. This is seen on pretty much every 440. After the boat has been lifted a few times, or a couple "firm" dockings and the tab separation occurs as Lagoon uses a very flexible putty. Ship is however still very solid so no worries ...
Addressing Bulkhead Issues of Lagoon 450 Catamaran: Introduction to
Some owners are somewhat disgruntled, feeling like they're maintaining a bulkhead instead of sailing a Lagoon 450. However, many are appreciative of the manufacturers' responsiveness and comprehensive remedies provided. Others consent that the ocean is a tough mistress, advising fellow owners not to 'miss the boat' on regular maintenance ...
EVERYTHING You Want to Know About The LAGOON 450 BULKHEAD ...
Brent Hermann is here to discuss the Lagoon 450 Bulkhead issues, a very hot topic among the catamaran community! Watch this video to hear our take on this to...
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Learn how to diagnose and repair broken bulkheads on a Lagoon 450 catamaran, a common problem that affects many used boats. See the step-by-step process, tools, materials, and tips from a boat-fixing enthusiast and a YouTube channel.
CATAMARAN DESIGN FLAW REVEALED
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Posted June 10, 2021. Lagoons & more commonly Fontaine Pajot cats have a lot of issues around global structure, or lack of. Looking from the aft cabin to the bow with only a couple of poorly designed & constructed bulkheads gives lovely flow, aesthetics etc, but is not conducive to holding a cat together.
Lagoon 450F/S bulkhead issue
Join the Lagoon 450F/S bulkhead issue group on Facebook to share your experiences, questions and solutions with other owners of this sailing catamaran.
My Lagoon 450 Bulkheads are BROKEN & I have to fix them ...
I don't know why I thought I could fix my own bulkheads, but I'm in too deep to back out...There are about a thousand Lagoon 450 Catamarans and sadly they al...
Lagoon 410 with broken bulkheads
Lots of problems with the 450 main bulkhead. The fix is a repair kit (if you're lucky and meet the usage criteria) with just a one year warranty! Lagoon Catamaran: sale, rental, catamaran and luxurious yacht construction . 19 Jul 2022 #7 vas Well-known member. Joined 21 Jun 2011 Messages 8,012
Another Lagoon with bulkhead issues : r/SailboatCruising
There's a guy from Western Australia who says he's repaired 14 Lagoon catamarans (different models, including 410, 420, and 450) with these bulkhead issues. But what was more interesting was Catamaran Impi's comment. The guy said he's seen the issue in all the production cats, including the FPs, Leopards and Lagoons.
Lagoon issues advisory notice to owners of its 450
2021-12-01 -. Catamaran builder Lagoon has issued advice to owners of Lagoon 450s following reports of forward bulkhead deformation. Lagoon, which is part of Groupe Beneteau, carried out an investigation after some Lagoon 450 owners discovered that their forward bulkheads had deformed, sparking wide debate online.
Lagoon bulkheads
Re: Lagoon bulkheads. In Nahoa's first bulkhead video a comment was left by an Australian marine engineer/architect regarding the Lagoon bulkheads. He stated in the last 5 years he has repaired/rebuilt 14 lagoons with bulkhead problems, 8 different models, so a problem maybe not only associated with the 450.
Lagoon 450 support
The quickest way to deal with the problem is to restore normal tension in the boat and prevent other parts from being abnormally stressed. This is why we advise owners to perform the Lagoon protocol, so that they can reinforce their bulkhead or fix any potential damage. ... Over 6000 Lagoon catamarans currently navigate around the world, most ...
Lagoon 400 Bulkhead an issue?
No wonder there are "bulkhead problems". this is L42. I thought we concentrate on L400. So, you say all lagoons are crap. I follow lagoon owner group for long time and aware of most structural issues, as nearly everyone with issue gets there as Lagoon is on the forum too. ... Lagoon Catamarans: 20: 11-01-2015 13:12: For Sale: Brand New NAIS-400 ...
Big Cat Concerns
Shih's story is one of many about bulkhead problems on the Lagoon 450 catamaran that have gotten widespread attention online. The attention persuaded Lagoon, a brand owned by Beneteau, a French public limited corporation (SA) that is one of the world's most famous boatbuilders, to take action.
450 450 Bulkhead issues
Cruisers & Sailing Forums > The Fleet > Manufacturers Forums > Lagoon Catamarans: 450: 450 Bulkhead issues - Report them please. Click Here to Login: Register: Vendors ... manufacturer as the solution--like defective airbags in cars--the manufacturer doesn't have the resources to fix the problem on their own. 27-04-2021, 04:04 #7: LeeV ...
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Lagoon is a leading catamaran manufacturer famous for its luxury products and state-of-the-art boats. However, if you're considering purchasing a cruising catamaran, you may get overwhelmed by the vast selection of boats on the market, and you might be left to wonder if Lagoon catamarans are worth the money, especially after the big "bulkhead-issues" debate started by Youtube channel ...
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We find out if this Lagoon 420 Catamaran has Cracked Bulkheads.We look at the furnishings, and through various hatches and panels, to see if there is any dam...
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In the last three months, we have completed 3 blue water sailing trips, totaling 2400+ NM, on our Lagoon 450S catamaran. We are ready to share our thoughts about its performance, as well as our likes and dislikes about the catamaran overall. When we first saw the drawings of the Lagoon 450S, we really liked the design.
Lagoon 450F
I am a Chief Engineer of Superyachts, from New Zealand, and bought a hurricane damaged 2012 Lagoon 450 catamaran in Tortola after Hurricane Irma. We started a YouTube channel called Parlay Revival, and document all of our adventures in weekly episodes. ... Given the choice, would you go 450F or 450S (bulkhead helm)? I skippered an L450 in 2013 ...
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Originally Posted by ReneJK. now normally i am not an alarmist but recently there has been a thread on the facebook 450 owners group where several owners of 450 f/s have reported broken bulkheads , ages 2011 - 2018 o. Owner in this picture is in big problem. Only solution return everthing, good insurance and wait gale 10 and go hard sailing in ...
Catamaran builder Lagoon is seeking to reassure owners of the Lagoon 450 following reports of forward bulkhead deformation.. Lagoon, which is part of Groupe Beneteau, has stressed that no navigation or safety issues have been reported as a result of the fault.. Since 2011, 1,011 Lagoon 450s have been produced. The boat builder said it had thoroughly examined the cases reported to it 'to ...
Lagoon bulkheads. Another YouTube channel Sailing Nahoa on a 2005 Lagoon 410 is reporting broken bulkhead issues as they sail the Indian Ocean. I thought this was a design fault related to the Lagoon 450. Makes me wonder if this is not an issue with all Lagoons built over the last twenty years that have been sailed extensively.
Posts: 23. Re: 2006/2007 Lagoon 440 common issues. First don't freak out when the survey finds de-tabbing of bulkheads. This is seen on pretty much every 440. After the boat has been lifted a few times, or a couple "firm" dockings and the tab separation occurs as Lagoon uses a very flexible putty. Ship is however still very solid so no worries ...
Some owners are somewhat disgruntled, feeling like they're maintaining a bulkhead instead of sailing a Lagoon 450. However, many are appreciative of the manufacturers' responsiveness and comprehensive remedies provided. Others consent that the ocean is a tough mistress, advising fellow owners not to 'miss the boat' on regular maintenance ...
Brent Hermann is here to discuss the Lagoon 450 Bulkhead issues, a very hot topic among the catamaran community! Watch this video to hear our take on this to...
Learn how to diagnose and repair broken bulkheads on a Lagoon 450 catamaran, a common problem that affects many used boats. See the step-by-step process, tools, materials, and tips from a boat-fixing enthusiast and a YouTube channel.
Colin finally gives his opinion on the Lagoon 450 design flaw involving the weak bulkhead. Too many Lagoon 450's have contacted him with exactly the same fai...
Posted June 10, 2021. Lagoons & more commonly Fontaine Pajot cats have a lot of issues around global structure, or lack of. Looking from the aft cabin to the bow with only a couple of poorly designed & constructed bulkheads gives lovely flow, aesthetics etc, but is not conducive to holding a cat together.
Join the Lagoon 450F/S bulkhead issue group on Facebook to share your experiences, questions and solutions with other owners of this sailing catamaran.
I don't know why I thought I could fix my own bulkheads, but I'm in too deep to back out...There are about a thousand Lagoon 450 Catamarans and sadly they al...
Lots of problems with the 450 main bulkhead. The fix is a repair kit (if you're lucky and meet the usage criteria) with just a one year warranty! Lagoon Catamaran: sale, rental, catamaran and luxurious yacht construction . 19 Jul 2022 #7 vas Well-known member. Joined 21 Jun 2011 Messages 8,012
There's a guy from Western Australia who says he's repaired 14 Lagoon catamarans (different models, including 410, 420, and 450) with these bulkhead issues. But what was more interesting was Catamaran Impi's comment. The guy said he's seen the issue in all the production cats, including the FPs, Leopards and Lagoons.
2021-12-01 -. Catamaran builder Lagoon has issued advice to owners of Lagoon 450s following reports of forward bulkhead deformation. Lagoon, which is part of Groupe Beneteau, carried out an investigation after some Lagoon 450 owners discovered that their forward bulkheads had deformed, sparking wide debate online.
Re: Lagoon bulkheads. In Nahoa's first bulkhead video a comment was left by an Australian marine engineer/architect regarding the Lagoon bulkheads. He stated in the last 5 years he has repaired/rebuilt 14 lagoons with bulkhead problems, 8 different models, so a problem maybe not only associated with the 450.
The quickest way to deal with the problem is to restore normal tension in the boat and prevent other parts from being abnormally stressed. This is why we advise owners to perform the Lagoon protocol, so that they can reinforce their bulkhead or fix any potential damage. ... Over 6000 Lagoon catamarans currently navigate around the world, most ...
No wonder there are "bulkhead problems". this is L42. I thought we concentrate on L400. So, you say all lagoons are crap. I follow lagoon owner group for long time and aware of most structural issues, as nearly everyone with issue gets there as Lagoon is on the forum too. ... Lagoon Catamarans: 20: 11-01-2015 13:12: For Sale: Brand New NAIS-400 ...
Shih's story is one of many about bulkhead problems on the Lagoon 450 catamaran that have gotten widespread attention online. The attention persuaded Lagoon, a brand owned by Beneteau, a French public limited corporation (SA) that is one of the world's most famous boatbuilders, to take action.
Cruisers & Sailing Forums > The Fleet > Manufacturers Forums > Lagoon Catamarans: 450: 450 Bulkhead issues - Report them please. Click Here to Login: Register: Vendors ... manufacturer as the solution--like defective airbags in cars--the manufacturer doesn't have the resources to fix the problem on their own. 27-04-2021, 04:04 #7: LeeV ...
Lagoon is a leading catamaran manufacturer famous for its luxury products and state-of-the-art boats. However, if you're considering purchasing a cruising catamaran, you may get overwhelmed by the vast selection of boats on the market, and you might be left to wonder if Lagoon catamarans are worth the money, especially after the big "bulkhead-issues" debate started by Youtube channel ...
We find out if this Lagoon 420 Catamaran has Cracked Bulkheads.We look at the furnishings, and through various hatches and panels, to see if there is any dam...
In the last three months, we have completed 3 blue water sailing trips, totaling 2400+ NM, on our Lagoon 450S catamaran. We are ready to share our thoughts about its performance, as well as our likes and dislikes about the catamaran overall. When we first saw the drawings of the Lagoon 450S, we really liked the design.
I am a Chief Engineer of Superyachts, from New Zealand, and bought a hurricane damaged 2012 Lagoon 450 catamaran in Tortola after Hurricane Irma. We started a YouTube channel called Parlay Revival, and document all of our adventures in weekly episodes. ... Given the choice, would you go 450F or 450S (bulkhead helm)? I skippered an L450 in 2013 ...